Orc Reproductive Organs

[Rokkz]

I looked around at Wowwiki and the web a bit, but could not find anything on the Orc reproductive systems. Are they similar to humans?

[Okhu]

I'm thinking, yes...they are most likely similar to humans....if not alike....though I doubt Blizzard thought about that.........or....did they...

[Xorek]

Probably the same as humans.....just with green bits instead of pink bits.

[Skafloc]

Probably the same as humans.....just with green bits instead of pink bits.

Hey! What about the grey bits? Not all orcs are green, just as not all humans are pink. :D

Also, if the size of orc hands and noses are any indication.. well, I'll let your imagination fill in the blanks.

[Okhu]

In other words - Orcs junk is likely larger then a humans junk....and will make people bleed.


........cept thier shoulders....

Where as the females are stacked...and got ghetto booty.

While the human females look like Barbie Wannabes.

[Chingaso]

Also, if the size of orc hands and noses are any indication.. well, I'll let your imagination fill in the blanks.
I seem to recall a bit of rp storyline written by Orugasa concerning this...

[Ninorra]

I seem to recall a bit of rp storyline written by Orugasa concerning this...

And oh, what an RP it was!

I'd say orc systems are same as humans. Where color is concerned, I'm assuming it varies. I figure Mag'har have similar coloring to darker skinned humans, where some of their bits are bright pink and..

..wait.. why am I not drawing this?

Lemme bump Vilmah up about 5 years and draw her naked.

[Skafloc]

Lemme bump Vilmah up about 5 years

That would be Tamora. :D

Just with the 2 side ponytails instead of the one in the back.

[Ninorra]

I don't think Tamora is 5' tall and inherently skinny..

[Okhu]

I don't either....

[Okhu]

Okh so needs a growth spirt....so she can be all Amazon style and stomp someone into the ground...

.... Vilmah you so need to draw that. I'll give you gold!

[Ninorra]

Gold you say!? It's a DEAL!

[Okhu]

Wootskies!.... Amazon Okh in sexy Amazon Outfit here I come!...-rubs hands together- Wait...How much goldz did you want!? Oo and look at my fancy sigs.. o.0

[Ninorra]

Dear GOD.. and how much are you offering? *wiggles eyebrows*

[Okhu]

That depends on how good the quality is..-wiggles eyebrows-....Make me an offer.

[Vilmah]

Just to clarify...

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9816/comparegg2.jpg

[Okhu]

I lol'd a great deal.

[Brakogar]

In the Lord of the Clans novel they hint that Orcish reproductive anatomy as well as mammary glands are the same as humans.

However an Orc can be fully grown in a few short years (can't remember the exact number) so they may hit puberty much earlier than humans.

[Vilmah]

What? In the Warcraft RPG book, it said that orcs have relitively the same lifespan and maturing rate of humans.

[Fallacy]

What? In the Warcraft RPG book, it said that orcs have relitively the same lifespan and maturing rate of humans.

The RPG books actually get a number of things wrong, as the Blizzard staff didn't directly write them. The novels are considered completely canon, on the other hand.

[Vhakti]

Where in the novels then, does it say that orcs age faster than humans?

[Tillna]

so trolls are blue?

Like...hmmm...

And forsaken are Necro?

NECRO WANG!

[Fallacy]

Where in the novels then, does it say that orcs age faster than humans?

Durotar got married at 12? That's when they were considered of adult age and allowed to go on full hunts. Later on, the warlocks also force-aged the younger ones so that they could fight, so that could have had an effect on their physiology.

[Vhakti]

Yes, but some humans are also sexually mature at 12, and it was perfectly acceptable for human girls to be married at 12 less than 500 years ago. That doesn't neccisarilly mean they age faster.

[Brakogar]

An Orc is fully grown (full height, muscles, beard, etc) at around age 12 while a Human child is normally still growing at that age.

Apparently their overall lifespan is a little bit more than humans but they mature quicker and age slower.

I believe that Grom Hellscream was already in his 60s when Thrall first encountered the Warsong Clan and he was as fit as ever.


Where in the novels then, does it say that orcs age faster than humans?

The novel Lord of the Clans tells the story of Thrall from when he was a baby right up to when he took over as Warchief. It is clearly stated that Orcs fully mature physically by age 10-12. However it is not clear at what age they become sexually mature/active.

[Tamora]

That would be Tamora. :D

Just with the 2 side ponytails instead of the one in the back.

I was wondering why my ears were burning..

I've always figured that orcs are essentially the same anatomically as humans. In fact, I have a dim memory of some kind of lore explaining how humans and orcs are derived from the same progenitors..but I can't look it up. One of the drawbacks of working at a company where half the people play WoW is that wowwiki and company are all blocked. :(

[Abric]

Orcs are humanoids.

They can bump uglies with Ogres and Draenai and humans. So, while the visuals may be different - the plumbing is all the same. GO GO BIOLOGY!

[turen]

Well thats a given, I think its size/colors peeps are curious about.

[Raziel]

Grom Hellscream was also 12 when he became Chieftain of the Warsong Clan. He was 12 when he drank the Blood of Mannoroth. Because he was an actual drinker of Demon Blood, it was the cause that allowed him to age so much slower than the other Orcs. This was true of all the Chieftains, because as long as the Chieftains survived and a single warlock lived, the Blood Haze would be able to permeate through the ranks of the Clans.

[Thoraggar]

Yep, we got Half-Ogre Rexxar, Half-Human Garona, and I think I remeber a half-draenai...

[Vhakti]

They say Garona might be half Draenai instead of half human, which would be dumb, I think.. but I once had this same conversation with Bloodscream.

Regardless of wether it was a female or a male ogre that was one of Rexxar's parens.. guh. I mean.. either way, yanno? If it was a chick, *shudder*. If it was a dude, *shudder*

[Jemmalass]

"Lantresor of the Blade: Who so boldly stand before Lantresor of the Blade? Do you not know death by sight, <sex>?

Click I have killed many of your ogres. Lantresor, I have no fear.

Then you are a fool. Do you not know what I am?

Click Should I know? You look like an orc to me.

An orc...

<Lantresor scoffs.>

I am a blademaster of half-orc desent.

Click And the other half?

Draenei... And because of this, I am neither. Not orc, not draenei. My own kind are a rare breed. Most having been killed decades ago... I live because of my strength of will.

Click I have heard of your kind, but I never thought to see the day when I would meet a half-breed.

Bite your tongue, <race>. I have seen things in my lifetime that you have only heard about it in legends. I have killed man, woman, and child without remorse. Under the banner of two Warchiefs of the Horde I have served... And now, I rule Boulderfist.

Click My apologies. I did not mean to offend. I am here on behalf of my people.

And what do your people want of Lantresor, <race>?

Click My people ask that you pull back your Boulderfist ogres and cease all attacks on our territories in return, we will also pull back our forces.

<Lantresor laughs heartily.>

Do you know where you are, fool? This is ogre land. Before orc, before draenei, there was ogre. Yet, you wish to start a war that you will inevitably lose? Boulderfist will crush you. And if Boulderfist does not destroy you, Warmaul will...

But I think your leaders already know this...

Click We will fight you until the end then, Lantresor. We will not stand idly by as you pillage our towns and kill our people.

<Lantresor glares at you as if he were looking through you.>

Perhaps there is another way... I will agree to your leader's demands only if you do exactly as I ask.

With your assistance, we may be able to help each other out greatly.

Click What do I need to do?

So what is your decision? Will it be war or will you lend your assistance?

Click Complete Quest

You will stage a series of events that will lead the Shadow Council of Kil'Sorrow fortress to believe that the Warmaul ogres have attacked their base and then another series of events to maek the Warmaul ogres believe the Shadow Council is attacking their base.

Do this and you solve both of our problems.

The Boulderfist will have their territory back and your people will be free from attack from the Boulderfist, Warmaul, and Shadow Council."

-allakhazam.com/ - "Because Kilrath is a Coward" Questline, starts in Trekkor Forest & ends in Nagrand

[Vhakti]

Ohhh shizzle.

[Thaena]

Hmmm..... Hmmm..... HHMMMMM.....


Vilmah and Thaena could breed their own elite Sanctuary/Haven peaceniking army of half-orc/half-draenei. Not together of course but.. just sayin'...

[Vhakti]

Hmmm..... Hmmm..... HHMMMMM.....


Vilmah and Thaena could breed their own elite Sanctuary/Haven peaceniking army of half-orc/half-draenei. Not together of course but.. just sayin'...

O_O

..Vilmah and Hailos? >.>

Just sayin'!

[Tillna]

Pictures or GTFO

[Thoraggar]

I think rexxar isn't actually a direct half ogre, he's a mok'nathal, quests in Blade's edge have you meeting his father, who looks like a really big orc. And they are at war with the ogres, so I don't think there's any direct ogre blood in the line. There's a whole village of half-ogres, including women, I /flex at them whenever I can.

[Vhakti]

Thorragar likes 'em big. ^^

[Thoraggar]

zug zug

[Malorii]

orcs participate in what has been described as "Big Bang"
reproduction. Prior to returning to their spawning grounds from the ocean,
they convert much of their body mass to eggs and sperm production. This
effort to migrate up the river does not allow for adequate feeding periods for they
only have a limited time before their death. They are using their body
mass as their source of nutrients and energy. This focused effort depletes
their body resources and after laying eggs and sperm milting, they die.

[Qabian]

/flirt Malorii

[Raziel]

Garona was Half-Human, Half-Orc in warCraft I, and II.

However, she was retconned by Metzen to be Half-Orc, Half-Draenei because when they changed the storyline in WarCraft III with all the Burning Legion shit, it made absolutely no fucking sense for her to be Half-Human and fully-Grown to be able to assassinate King Llane. Half-Draenei was the only possible ability (which, since Draenei = the Broken, actually made a bit of sense for her to be an incredibly stealthy killer used by the Shadow Council {Still curious if she was Gul'dan's Lover. I theorize that she was}).

The Draenei half-breeds are considered weak. They are a product that's probably not legal during Old Horde occupation. Much like deformed Spartan babies, they were probably tossed off a cliff. However, Garona was quite attractive and looked somewhat human for a mutt, which helped her in espionage (but didn't help her at all when DoomHammer got a hold of her a tortured her brutally to reveal the location of the Shadow Council, then left her hanging for dead).

Garona's Father must be an Orc. There is no way she would not have been killed had her Father not raised her. She was most likely conceived in a violent rape.

The Mok'Nathal is just an Ogre name for the Half-Orc Half-Ogres. Rexxar is indeed the most prominant example of this. His Father, as we can see, is an extremely large and muscular Orc, but I had already known this before he was even in the game. Rexxar was raised by his mother. This is why he has an interesting protective affection for his Ogre people. This is completely explained by his reaction of the Stonemaul genocide in the Orc Campaign in the Frozen Throne. You can just tell that his mother was an Ogre, and she cared very much for the Young Rexxar.

Mok'Nathal are considered to be elite soldiers by Old Horde. They were enlisted by Ner'zhul as shocktroopers to keep both Ogres and Orcs docile and keep things calm. As such, Mok'nathal are the most respective of the Half-Breeds.

[Jeedup]

You want massive lore confusion? Then look no further than Grom Hellscream:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Grom_Hellscream

He's either a young orc for his postion, or incredibly old if you look at all the offical lore. But like Abric said, they tend to get stuff wrong in various work, like any company really that has this much stuff to keep track of.





Anywho, continue on with your discussion of Orchish wee-wee's

[Raziel]

You want massive lore confusion? Then look no further than Grom Hellscream:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Grom_Hellscream

He's either a young orc for his postion, or incredibly old if you look at all the offical lore. But like Abric said, they tend to get stuff wrong in various work, like any company really that has this much stuff to keep track of.

Actually, it's more like they really don't care and will write whatever they want to write whether it makes any sense or not, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. This is illustrated by the Lore-Massacre of the Draenei from words directly written by Chris Metzen.

When you wrote the entire storyline, and even you don't remember the background that you made up not 3 years ago, there's a sense of apathy that generates itself about the product of your lifestyle.

[Abric]

That's a fact, Raziel.

I know I personally don't forget stuff that I enjoy writing... but then, I don't make hundreds of thousands of dollars doing it. I guess when you get paid, your memory changes?

[Lascivious]

it's like a respeccing of the mind!

[Jeedup]

You also need to take into account, that most likely the people who worked on Warcaft 1, were not really thinking of making too indepth of a story, and may also not even have worked on Warcraft 2, and the same people probably didnt work on Warcraft 3 or even WoW. So when people usually go and say Blizzards writing team is a bunch of morons, I dont know if they realize how much crap they probably have to sift through to make EVERYTHING correct.

[Raziel]

Rather, Jeedup, you need to take in account that Metzen was there since WarCraft 1, and is completely responsible for writing everything.

He even wrote most of the stuff in StarCraft and Diablo as well. Before he was "lead developer" he was "Creative Lead," which also meant that pre-Diablo 2, he actually did the majority of artistry.

It's not really the company's fault. It's just Chris Metzen's.

[Fhenrir]

orcs participate in what has been described as "Big Bang"
reproduction. Prior to returning to their spawning grounds from the ocean,
they convert much of their body mass to eggs and sperm production. This
effort to migrate up the river does not allow for adequate feeding periods for they
only have a limited time before their death. They are using their body
mass as their source of nutrients and energy. This focused effort depletes
their body resources and after laying eggs and sperm milting, they die.

So, orcs are... Zoidberg?

[Jeedup]

Rather, Jeedup, you need to take in account that Metzen was there since WarCraft 1, and is completely responsible for writing everything.

He even wrote most of the stuff in StarCraft and Diablo as well. Before he was "lead developer" he was "Creative Lead," which also meant that pre-Diablo 2, he actually did the majority of artistry.

It's not really the company's fault. It's just Chris Metzen's.

So, your expecting one guy to be at fault for everything? Now that seems unfair, especially since, I think, he's like the head of Blizzard now (dont quote me on that). PLUS, I know from reading and watching interviews with him, he takes the lore very seriously.

Well, I see it like this, Star Wars, specifically Boba Fett. We all saw him fall into the pit o' death. There were constant rumours due to the characters instant charisma that he didnt die, he lived. Even early books written in the 70s and 80s wrote him off that he somehow escaped, comic book series in more recent years have done the same, and new books as well. Then, when the second movie from the new trilogy came out, when we see Boba Fetts father, and young Boba as well, George Lucas is asked if we will see Boba again, and he goes, "No, he died in the first trilogy, I know everyone loves him, and wrote a whole lot of books about him, but no, he died." Its in some of the interviews for the second new movie.

Now, some would say all the books and comic books would be cannon, just like the various lore we see from Warcraft, but if the creater himself contradicts this (or to be more legit, the surplus lore contradicts the creator), then that shows that he/she might not be given all the information all the time.

Thats just my opinion on this sort of stuff, not trying to be a jackass. And excuse the many miss-spells, I just woke up and have a slight head cold.

[Sunsong]

I'll retort by saying this;

Lucas can't keep track of his own goshdamned lore. Midichlorians anyone? Gag me.

As for the books not being cannon, the actual decision by Lucas Film is that all books after the death of Chewbacca (*rage*) are no longer cannon. All books leading up to that point are.

Like I said, Lucas doesn't know WTF is going on in his own universe. I'd be surprised if he's read half of the BS books that came out after Return of the Jedi.

[Abric]

George Lucas may be a good example... because like Vilmah's inabilility to forum on one account (Multi-headed hydra) has stated - the boy don't know what's happening with his own creation.

While sometimes people run with it, and sometimes things *do* get bigger - there is no excuse in this day and age. Look at wowwiki for example; everything is written off nice and pretty and links everything to each other.

They should of went the route Dragonlance went. Everything is a story written from the eyes of another - and not based on fact and/or a narrator perspective. That way if something stupid happens, you can just say:

"Well, that's how he saw it! Doesn't make it true. Bwhahahahahaa! Squids from OUTER SPACE!!!!"

... and clearly, the definition and explanation of orc reproductive organs should be at the fore-front. How can we understand orcs... if we don't understand the basis of the tools of their mating process?

I'll need a powerpoint presentation by Tuesday. And go!

[Ninorra]

I'm on it!!

[Jeedup]

George Lucas may be a good example... because like Vilmah's inabilility to forum on one account (Multi-headed hydra) has stated - the boy don't know what's happening with his own creation.

While sometimes people run with it, and sometimes things *do* get bigger - there is no excuse in this day and age. Look at wowwiki for example; everything is written off nice and pretty and links everything to each other.

Actually, this was exactly my point. If you look at it simply, the Star Wars universe was created by George Lucas, so in many cases, what he says, goes. So if a ton of well talented writers have produced many a good book, but yet Lucas, the douche that he is, comes and says: Nope, didn't happen, it just goes and makes things incredibly complicated, and disappoints no only fans, but those poor writers who produced said books.

Now, as for WoWWiki, its such a useful tool, and incredibly helpful for the exact reasons you just stated. I use it all the time and I love it. BUT, its greatest strength is us, people that take the time, look through the pages, re-read lore, and edit common mistakes on the articles, correct spelling, and put in new info. Its helped along by hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of fans that take it seriously. Hell, I wouldnt be surprised is Blizzards various developing teams check it out from time to time. But thats the thing, while Blizzard may have a dozen or so employees that work on certain departments, the WoWWiki is helped along by the fan base.

Now, Blizzard is not as huge as Lucas Arts (and the bazillion other sub-companies of Lucas X), and they probably dont have as many people working there, or as many different departments in charge of keeping things in order, or hire out of company people like other writers and artists, but a game like World of Warcraft is incredibly complex.

I see it as this, quests that we do in game have there own little lore, some of them pretain to the Warcraft universe, some just have bringing a peons bag of cheese to Razor Hill. But think of all the work they have to put into just developing quests, is EVERYTHING going to work out in a simple order? Probably not. Granted, I'm very over simplifying it, and also, I dont work for Blizzard, non of us do (or so we think O.o) so we really cant go and nit-pick everything they do without us actually knowing what they have to do. Hell, it might actually be that they really dont give a damn, which would be very said. I for one love what the do, and the little mix ups in lore I find as not that big a deal. However, theres been a few major ones I have found unexcusable, one being the Draenei. Still doesnt make sense to me, but, oh well.


Yes, dicussion of Orchis wee-wee's please.

[Malorii]

Midoclorions are reeally in the teeth if you take all the teeth out of a jedi they wont have mediclorians and there for cease to be jedi.

[Okhu]

When I hump things does it not moan like any human would?....the answer is no....if I hump something. That something cries....it cries and cries and cries until I've decided it has to stop and give said crying thing a black eye or two.

......ZERO SLEEP POSTS ARE GO!!!

[Malorii]

hehehhe... thats all i'm going to say.
I bet it sucks for other things with them tusks. . thats all i can think of when i see an orc or a troll i'm all ... hehehehe...

[Cedes]

Originally Posted by Malorii
orcs participate in what has been described as "Big Bang"
reproduction. Prior to returning to their spawning grounds from the ocean,
they convert much of their body mass to eggs and sperm production. This
effort to migrate up the river does not allow for adequate feeding periods for they
only have a limited time before their death. They are using their body
mass as their source of nutrients and energy. This focused effort depletes
their body resources and after laying eggs and sperm milting, they die.

So, orcs are... Zoidberg?


whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa......whoa. So Orcs die off like flies? I always pictured them of having a peak moment in their lives used for mating 'n such filled with rough, hardcore sex...guess I was wrong.

My vision of Orc mating season would have been male orcs becoming very stinky due to "its f'ing time" and female orcs becoming very barbaric and agressive (aka Klingon females) ...for the same reason.