Cannibalism and Manners

[Belle]

I couldn't find a post where this might have been discussed, but what's the general views of the Horde on Forsaken eating people? I know trolls were supposed to have dropped those customs, I think, so does that apply to zombie brain food too?

[Lupen]

The alliance from the Forsaken to the Trolls, Orcs, and Tauren is weak at best, as you know. I believe it is heavily looked down upon, but not forbidden.

[Fallacy]

Within the Horde itself, cannibalism is a death-sentence, completely forbidden. Granted, I don't think the Forsaken actually do practice it, despite it being a racial ability, as a way to distance themselves from the Scourge. It's just another example of game mechanics going agaisnt lore.

[Abric]

Remember, Cannnibalism is against ones own race. An orc eating a human, for example, may not be seen as all that bad. Of course, we don't have any real life experiences to base that on; since the closest 'species' to our own is the monkey, and we eat them little fuckers all the time with only an 'exotic' appeal to it.

The Darkspear Trolls do not practice cannibalism. A number of the Forest Trolls and Desert Trolls still do. The Forsaken may or may not. We got the skill... we go the talent - but I've yet to see anything official on the response that other Forsaken look down on others that do it. Afterall, how can you justify one morality when your entire purpose is to give the big 'fuck you' to the world and make a poison to cleanse it of everyone with a heartbeat?

Orcs look down on it, period. That's part of the reason they have such a good pact with the Darkspear Tribe. Orcs used to practice it in some clans (Bonechewer, I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere,) but as they became more shamanistic again, it was looked upon as a bad thing.

The Tauren, *maybe* the Grimtotem, but that may just heresay, since everybody hates the Grimtotem. They are more lore-based on the Great Hunt; and I think there is more humor involved in them eating hamburgers and cows and all that jazz.

[Vilmah]

Sandfury practice cannibalism, as do forest trolls. Both of them are considered enemies of the Horde, but I knew plenty who roleplay as them.

[Belle]

Cool... I'm trying to gauge how socially acceptable it would be for Belle to be eating things in character. Sounds like the general answer is "eh, it's like picking your nose in public."

[Vilmah]

It depends on who you're doing it in front of. A large ammount of the Horde would find it acceptable, but if you were eating a human in front of Thrall, I think he'd be appauled.

If you did it in front of Vilmah, she'd cry. In front of any member of Sanctuary, just a big old "yechhh!!"

[Kallindra]

If you did it in front of Vilmah, she'd cry.

Which will give Abric another excuse to use his Vilmah crying picture.

Not that he needs an excuse.

[Vilmah]

She looks so chubby in that picture. I love it.

[Darkblade]

Just don't be one of those undead wandering around chewing on someone else's fingers, which you've kept in a bag for when you've got the munchies.

They don't do it because they're hungry or because it necessarily "tastes good".

[Sabachthan]

Cool... I'm trying to gauge how socially acceptable it would be for Belle to be eating things in character. Sounds like the general answer is "eh, it's like picking your nose in public."
My understanding of the Forsaken, is that it's not so much something we joy as a capability that we have. We don't do it to "gain the power of our enemies" or because humanoids taste especially scrumptious, but rather because we can assimilate almost immediately the use of the humanoid tissue. In effect, our digestion system as an almost surgical-to-abomination type function.

I am, of course, pulling this out of my ear.

That being said, in any case, the only reason I can see for a Forsaken wanting to eat a piece of humanoid flesh in public is to provoke a reaction. You want to offend and/or gross out those around you. You want to show that you are not bound by the same moral compass that your allies are. You want to rebel from the social norms.

[Icia]

As far as I know, the undead in WoW only ate dead corpses. Despite the ability being called "Cannibalize" they never really mentioned undead eating live people.

[Darkweald]

Well, usually they're dead when you begin eating them. ;)

[Belle]

They don't do it because they're hungry or because it necessarily "tastes good".

Maybe not hungry the way living creatures do, but maybe just more as an uncontrollable urge? I guess I am thinking of old horror movie zombies, which is kind of how I figured the Scourge's ghouls are.

[Sulajin]

The motivations of cannibalism in the Forsaken are interesting, and no doubt varied. I'd go with Fallacy and expect it to be highly frowned upon by the Forsaken. Actually it's entirely believable that they would punish it more severely than any one else. Pride, after all, is just as much what you AREN'T as what you are. More so, in some cases. And the Forsaken are nothing if not proud (to my mind, anyways).

Trolls (those that still practice it) would probably be more religious than sustinential. You eat the eyes of your enemy and steal his sight, you eat the flesh of your fallen that their spirit is not lost etc.

But it is punishable by the Horde, so I expect it's a very secretive practice, no matter who does so.

[Skafloc]

As far as manners go, so long as they chew the fat with their mouths closed.

Well, most of them. Radurach Ghant would have a problem, what with no lower jaw and all.

<Radurach> "Fleshy Smoothies anyone? "

[Darkblade]

I've always felt that the Forsaken's "cannibalism" is more of a utility than a desire or pastime. I equate it to what you might think how a reluctant vampire would react, except it's not really a need to survive (though it can be, if the situation is right). They do it when they need to, and when they do it it only reinforces to themselves just what they are...undead. While the Forsaken as a whole have come to accept their lot in life (or unlife, if you will), they still likely remember what they had before the plague, and yet another reminder of what they have become would likely be unwelcome.

And at the end, it would be like playing Vampire: The Masquerade and having some noob vamp walk into a bar with a bag of blood because he's "cool and vampirey". Weak. Don't be that person. ;)

[Belle]

I think I understand now. The reason I ask is because I'm still getting a feel for how I want to play this character. I thought it might be fun to play an undead teetering on the cusp between 'Forsaken' and 'Scourge', sort of a Jeykll and Hyde behavior. Eating people, to me, seemed to most obvious difference between a civilized undead and a common ghoul. So, I wanted to see if it was common practice for both halves :)

[Sabachthan]

I feel Darkblade was spot on.

I like the idea of an RP character teetering on the edge of Forsaken and Scourge. That'll be tricky to play. Most Forsaken are already pretty blood-thirsty, and I see the defining characteristic of Scourge being their desire to kill anything that moves (zombie flick!). Aside from their total lack of free will.

[Malorii]

Malorii Eats Draenei on a daily basis, although not for power gaining, it is for the mere fact Space-squid are delicious, even more so when grilled and based in a nice Bloodthistle Maranadeded(can't spell )



And somtimes tauren ...




but don't tell anyone



mmmmm grimtotem * drools,froths*

[Oraias]

Let's not bring up Mal and her space-squid "eating". That picture still disturbs me.
... why is it embracing her ... why ...

[Tillna]

We should cook and Eat DIo

[Kyo]

We should cook and Eat DIo

I say we fry him.

[Morrigaine]

I say we fry him.

Bar-B-Q!

Back on topic, Morrigaine cannabilizes on a regular basis because that is her nature. She is extremely angry at all living things because of what happened to her and her family. It is her way of taking revenge.

Grainia, OTH, does it only for survival, and even then, only if she is desperate.

I don't have a complete storyline yet for their brother, Grisin. But since he is a mage, I greatly doubt that cannibilizing is something he would do on a regular basis.

[Xiphus]

Allow me to shed some light about what some other....more malevolent Forsaken think about cannibalism. For us, it is not only utility (instant metabolism from consuming humanoid or undead flesh), but also a way to exert our power over our prey. The Forsaken who cannibalizes regularly even when there's no need for it is normally saying, "I am in control! Everything that belongs to you belongs to me! Especially your flesh!" Such behavior follows the same mentality of torturing, raping and enslaving others. It's just a way to express control.

This only holds true to certain Forsaken individuals though.

[Darkblade]

But also, there's a world of difference between (the Forsaken's) cannibalism, and wandering around with a bag of gnome toes for munching on when bored. The prior is survival/power/desire/"natural", the latter is dumb. :p

[Morrigaine]

But also, there's a world of difference between (the Forsaken's) cannibalism, and wandering around with a bag of gnome toes for munching on when bored. The prior is survival/power/desire/"natural", the latter is dumb. :p

Morrigaine eats enough at one sitting to last awhile. Her bag is so full of shards that she can't carry the toes around with her. Toes are icky, anyway.

[Nadea]

Nadea cannabalizes to show her ultimate control and power. Injury to insult and the such. She IS a Baroness, she needs to show that she rules over everyone =D

Amalee, however, uses Cannibalize mainly for survival. I dont really even count the skill in her RP in general.

[Shadowspeak]

Shadowspeak sees cannibalism and the practice of it is an embracment of Undeath, and he looks down upon it a bit. he only practices it when necessary or to use as pshycological warfare.

[Xiphus]

Xiphus only cannibalizes when it is truly necessary, for example, suffering grievous enough wounds that will take a while to regenerate, or when dealing with extremely well defended quarry. If he has to make a hit on someone who is sitting in a fortress of a mansion, he will have to get past the guards. Seeing that he will be killing guards anyway, why not make it as gruesome as possible? A couple of torn limbs in the corners, a few disappearing guards and a bunch of half-eaten corpses and a bunch of corpses hanging on garrote wires (which threatened to cut off the neck eventually) is a very good way to inflict psychological stress, especially if done correctly.

Those suffering from fear tend to find their performance suffer, making it a lot easier to dismantle the rest of the defense and the household staff. Who knows, it might even lead to the target actually committing suicide knowing that a monster is lurking in and around his home. No sane man wants to die horribly anyway. Makes the job hell alot more easier. Getting the proof of demise would still be a challenge though, but having guards panicking and running about desperate to search for the attacker or to save their skin would still make the process of retrieving the target's remains considerably easier as well.

[Chavie]

chavie cannibalizes when it is funny or when vuudu cooks. there is no deep thought to it, it is just something she does because she can and it is yummy. *pat's chavie's head*

[Sulajin]

Sul got Vil to canabalize once...

[Qabian]

The alliance from the Forsaken to the Trolls, Orcs, and Tauren is weak at best, as you know. I believe it is heavily looked down upon, but not forbidden.

I go with this myself. I don't think Sylvanas would care that you're eating corpses, but Thrall would probably punch you in the face, so maybe just mind your company?

If you're hanging around honorable Orcs and Darkspear Trolls and nice Tauren and pretty Elves that you don't want to offend/gross out, maybe eating people isn't such a great idea? If you're in mostly Forsaken/other-Troll/generally evil company, enjoy the buffet. :D I've done some Ice Troll RP with others and they didn't have any qualms about eating people based on the situation.

[Darknaga]

Bahl sees it as the end justifies the means. While only used in the most dire of cirumcstances, he won't hasitate to use a corpse to replenish himself as needed.

The rest of the bodies...he'd rather stack them like cordwood for future use.

[Necrosis]

Necrosis will use the flesh of his opponents to quickly regenerate or if the foe has been practically vile as a show of dominance. He cares not if it is acceptable because he see himself as being above and not bound by morals or ethics.

I have had many a member of the Horde (Orc, Troll, etc…) cheer at the sight of Necrosis consuming their tormentor. Hmmm, perhaps there's a story there.

[Verloran]

While I've never really stuck with one, I have RPd Forsaken in the past, and this is my view on the whole cannibalism thing.

To me, it's just another food group. You eat your fruit, he can have his bread, I'm gonna take a nice Dwarf leg out of my backpack. If you don't like it, or find it 'acceptable', then tough. I don't like the smell of your aged cheeses, and it upsets my stomach.

[Darkweald]

I don't like the smell of your aged cheeses, and it upsets my stomach.
LoL ... the undead perspective never fails to amuse me.

[Karkarov]

A nice blood elf cutlet or rack of stunty ribs can go a long way. Sadly the little chubby stunties are only good for turning into jellies and sauces very dissatisfiying raw. Havent had much draenei yet but they seemed rather bland to me.

[Hellista]

Hellista practices cannibalism. Always has since she first went crazy many moons ago. She thinks that she gets power from the flesh of her enemies, although she is more of a knife and fork type rather than a "Dig into a raw screaming body" type.

Oddly enough, as evil and twisted as Hellista is, she kinda likes Draenei and refuses to eat them anymore. She sees the entire race as an oddity to be observed. Although she will kill them if they threaten her.

Gnomes are killed on sight, and often cooked into a stew.

[Lascivious]

Well, I eat people after I kill them just because I like to add insult to injury.

[Kallindra]

Yep, I have found that if you cannabilize a player after killing them that they rather quickly hit release as soon as you do.

[Darkblade]

Yep, I have found that if you cannabilize a player after killing them that they rather quickly hit release as soon as you do.

Unfortunately, I've found they tend to release before you can cannibalize them. Well, you can still cannibalize them, but they don't see it...and that's half the fun.

[Bahlmoral]

Nothing like adding that little extra edge with Phsyc-ops on them eh?

[Tillna]

Zart Eats em more out of how it taste

[Raziel]

Cannibalism is against Horde Law. Under the Warchief's Edict upon the War of Stonetalon did the Warchief usher in the verdict that the act of cannibalism was contrary to the Horde values of Honor.

The Darkspear did openly practice Cannibalism, but have changed their heritage to be more in tune with the Words of the Warchief. It was their actions in the aftermath of the Survivors of Lordaeron in Stonetalon Peak did the Warchief halt them, and say unto them, "This is not the way of Honor. Do not do this." And so it was, and has been.

The way of the Bonechewer Clan is no more with the Orcs of Draenor.

Those who would dare practice it are considered the lowest social dregs and shunned from Horde society...

But then again, Forsaken already *are* shunned from Horde Society.

[Swerto]

Swerto loves meat, but it might be because he is one of those teetering forsaken... hell Darthak really messed him up

[Hellista]

Update on Hellista's cannibalism. She still cooks and uses forks, but now she also does the "Dive in and eat raw flesh" thing. But not if anyone is looking.

[Swerto]

Swerto doesn't care, he loves the taste of raw flesh... either that or rotten... might be the scourge part of him getting hold however... we'll just have to find out

[Anaie]

I love me my Gnomey Bites (tm) and of course trolls are like an all I can eat buffet with that regeneration!

[Swerto]

*licks lips*
Nothing is better than a whole family, children and all!
(Hey i've got richard from LFG as my avatar... what do you think my undead guy is going to act like? Only reason he's not a lock is cuz I already had one)

[Sulajin]

Pfft. Pardon me for scoffing at Forsaken cannabalism.

"Ooh ooh! Look how fucking SCARY I AM! Are you watching? Look at me go! I'm eating him!"

Troll canabalism? Got to love the religious overtones. But it's not something that's a focus for my RP.

[Ninorra]

Troll canabalism? Got to love the religious overtones. But it's not something that's a focus for my RP.

Until Sul starts feeling a little frisky, then he's all about diving into a chunk of the wife's thigh.

[Anthek]

Technically, by doctrine of the Cult of the Shadow, the Forsaken are against cannibalism, in addition to necromancy, as they feel it makes them no different than slavers and the Scourge.

[Xiphus]

Pfft. Pardon me for scoffing at Forsaken cannabalism.

"Ooh ooh! Look how fucking SCARY I AM! Are you watching? Look at me go! I'm eating him!"

Troll canabalism? Got to love the religious overtones. But it's not something that's a focus for my RP.

Nah, it is just insulting when a Forsaken cannibalizes the corpse of the player who hasn't released. It is kinda as bad as corpse humping.

[Sanrin]

Why? You guys have the moves, if ya want to use it. I consider it as a sign of disrespect, but hell if ya killed me then you have every right to taunt my ass! Kinda like when I bubble for no reason during a fight or /chuckle at someone who is losing to me. Its all for fun, and some of its mindgames.

[Sulajin]

I meant the RP. My Forsaken characters will use canabalize all the time just for the mechanics.

[Sulajin]

Until Sul starts feeling a little frisky, then he's all about diving into a chunk of the wife's thigh.

Heh, that's something completely differant. Trolls heal, they like it rought. And bloody.

[Xiphus]

Why? You guys have the moves, if ya want to use it. I consider it as a sign of disrespect, but hell if ya killed me then you have every right to taunt my ass! Kinda like when I bubble for no reason during a fight or /chuckle at someone who is losing to me. Its all for fun, and some of its mindgames.

Nah, I have nothing against that. I always cannibalize corpses whenever there's an opportunity and when cannibalize is not on cooldown. I just enjoy RPing that as Psych-Ops tactic, to piss them off so much that the next time they rez, they go all the way to find me and end up sacrificing all his teammates, only to get killed and eaten again.

Hey, let's get 10 Alliance in WSG chase after the Forsaken rogue by cannibalizing all their corpses. The time it takes to find me is enough for the rest of the Horde to go in and steal the flag three times in a row.

[Darkblade]

If some player annoys me and I wind up killing them, damn sure I'm gonna eat their face afterward. I only wish there was a timer on releasing so they'd have to watch me first.

[nothus]

Jamaryste cannibalizes for power and mind games.
/me eagerly devours the strength of her fallen foe
/cast Cannibalism(Racial)
I love that macro. Though after reading through this thread I'm considering retooling it...

The Scourge are all about eating the living, normally we (Forsaken) kill _then_ eat. Or at the very least roast alive while turning a spit over a roaring fire (stunty bbq) and adding copious amount of Darkmoon Special Reserve, or Rumsey Rum Black Label and Hot Spices. I miss Clys, Karkarov and Jamaryste comparing recipes in the Tavern.

In the rp, jama usually eats raw meat, occasionally she will save something from those she's slaughtered for "nourishment" later, but usually she'll just grab whatever might be in the Tavern already (or something suitably 'aged', heh)