Blood Elf Question..

[Tillna]

Me and my friends were talking abotu how BE's are the new horde chars. big Whuup. We mention that now, we get naked elves dancing on our furniture. Next, some one mentioned, how throught lore, BE's seem evil.

Are Blood Elve's "evil" so to speak, or just really bad with social graces?

We are just worried because now it seems that the horde will infact be the "evil" side instead of the barbaric, better side. Not that eivl isn't bad, cause we all know Darkside > light side...

[Fallacy]

No, they're just really pissed off. Almost being wiped out and losing your major source of magic does that to you. That, and they hate about every other single race; not quite to the extent like trolls, but almost all of them were involved in trying to commit genocide of their race.

[Tillna]

What I mean is, they are responsable for many many bad things, and they pop up in interesting places ((Scholo any one?))

Also, No one hates Trolls. Those wh odo, don't matter.

We just kick that much ass.

[Fallacy]

Bad things? Not really. Sure, the Highborne were responsible for the first invasion of the Burning Legion, but most of those went on to become Naga, Satyrs, or joined those at Eldre'Thelas, otherwise known as Dire Maul. Otherwise, without them, the humans might have also fallen prey to the forest trolls, and the nations of Lordaeron (that includes Strom, Dalaran, Kul Tiras, and Gilneas) would never have formed, and humans would have never learned to use magic. And, besides paladins, no other race could match their priests' prowess in wielding the Light.

Scholomance is not a good example, as humans and gnomes are also part of the Cult of the Damned. Any race could have been lured into joining them.

[Tillna]

Any race, excluding NE, Draeni, Dwarves and Trolls.

And Taurens and Orcs.

And it only proves who the evil ones are.

But what I mean is, until now, we had no crazy ass hole reaces, save for Forsaken. Allies have Gnomes. Now we have two crazy people...one with a meth addiciton.

Not cool blizz. I want my Horde back

[Fallacy]

Every race has their drawbacks. There's crazy and evil within all of them. It's not smart to make generalizations.

[Tillna]

I just don't think that Blood ELves and Horde are a good connection.

Regardless, I am some what racist toward Allies. They all seem to have a "good guy" persona, when all fo them have done some horrible things.

Regrdless, yeah....

[Keraph]

Well, when you look at it that way, the Horde have been advertised as the good guys all along. Even on the Alliance side, nobidy was buying the "No really, we're the good guys" thing. Granted, the Forsaken are straight up evil, and with the addition of the Blood Elves, who aren't really EVIL per se, so much as arrogant, it balances out fine.

[Tillna]

Humans: Trying to rule everything
Dwarves: Trying to get drunk, then mine everything
Night Elves: Trying to be immortal and get rid of Trolls
Gnomes: They are just silly people

Orcs: Trying to live in peace
Trolls: Trying to make a good stew and live in peace
Taurnes: trying to cure the undeath and live in peace.
Forsaken: Kill...kill...kill...kill...

[Fallacy]

Forsaken: Kill...kill...kill...kill...

More like, try to protect themselves from the Scourge and the fanatical Alliance forces that both want them destroyed.

[Tillna]

Forsaken: Kill...kill...kill...kill...

More like, try to protect themselves from the Scourge and the fanatical Alliance forces that both want them destroyed.
And then infect people...

Regardless, Horde are more "good" then alliance, as they want peace, for the most part

[Aquizit]

Regardless, Horde are more "good" then alliance, as they want peace, for the most part

Hmph, we're nae warmongers... but we dunnae back down from a fight!

An' dunnae yeh be bringin' Stormpike inta this.. Ah cannae say ah approve o' his methods.

[Chingaso]

Fact: Orcs are Horde
Fact: Regarless of WC Lore, most people associate Orcs with evil based on LOTR

Any questions?

[Shadowspeak]

And then infect people...

Theres a guild for that, :P

and were not really "infecting" people. This isn't Ner'zhuls plague mastered by the Forsaken. Were trying to find a disease that kills both Humans and Scourge, as we are under attack by both of them.

Forsaken have PLENTY of reasons to be pissed, as do Bloodelves.

[Shadowspeak]

Fact: Orcs are Horde
Fact: Regarless of WC Lore, most people associate Orcs with evil based on LOTR

Any questions?

Well, from WC1 to tides of blood orcs...were evil. They didnt explain it, they were just your basic "Rawr, kill Humans!"

On a side note, we wouldnt be playing WoW right now if not for Tolkein. D&D wouldn't exist, along with all the other fantasy games.

Anywho, they didn't really explain Orcs being well... not evil... until W3.

Originally Orcs were like Tolkien Orcs, just bigger.

[Keraph]

Fallacy, Shadowspeak, cmon. Don't deny your heritage! Evil as all get out!

[Fallacy]

Fallacy, Shadowspeak, cmon. Don't deny your heritage! Evil as all get out!

*bans Keraph from the Lore boards*

Fallacy is not a member of the Forsaken.

[Keraph]

I feel like I knew that from somewhere before....Ah well.

[Fallacy]

I feel like I knew that from somewhere before....Ah well.

Maybe from the fact that I have to keep telling people, and that Fallacy basically stabs people for calling him one.

[Nadea]

I feel like I knew that from somewhere before....Ah well.

Maybe from the fact that I have to keep telling people, and that Fallacy basically stabs people for calling him one.

ooo!! OOOOO!! let me let me! >=D


(<3 you Keeeeeeeeer)

[Keraph]

Well, it is a risk you take when playing such a diverse character. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I can't be held responsible for mistaking you for someone you look exactly like. I mean, that's why half the Alliance wants us dead! They can't tell between us and the Scourge.



....of course, the other half just wants to kill us cause we're damned evil!

[Daala]

Hehe. I remember Dave Chappelle.

One bit, he's referring to women who dress provocatively but become angry when men ogle them. He says they often say, "Just because I dress this way does not make me a whore." He replies, "That's true, just because somebody dresses a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. But you are wearing a whore's uniform." He goes on to compare other uniformed occupations with this standard, like policemen, and it's hilarious.

[EnheilRas]

Fact: Orcs are Horde
Fact: Regarless of WC Lore, most people associate Orcs with evil based on LOTR

Any questions?

Well, from WC1 to tides of blood orcs...were evil. They didnt explain it, they were just your basic "Rawr, kill Humans!"

On a side note, we wouldnt be playing WoW right now if not for Tolkein. D&D wouldn't exist, along with all the other fantasy games.

Anywho, they didn't really explain Orcs being well... not evil... until W3.

Originally Orcs were like Tolkien Orcs, just bigger.

Actually Elves and Orcs were first introduced in The EPic Poem BeoWulf, not Tolkien at all..

Anyway, Tolkienite Orcs are actually elves mutated by Morgoth, and aren't "Orcs" at all.

ANyway, Orcs have been making deals with Blood Elves long before the Blood Elves or the Expansion were ever thought of. Just get to level 40 or so and go talk to Belgrom Rockmaul. He'll explain to you (He's a General of the Horde forces and has several regiments in the Thousand Needles, Hillsbrad, and Azshara all under his direct command) that he made a pact with a Blood Elf Female (He sorta fell for her) and let one of his companied under her command to help her in the Northern Azshara Peninsula. ..then the woman backstabbed him and killed his entire force there. So Belgrom, not to be outdone by some elf-whore, built Valormok and set up base there (everything there belongs to him). The whole point of Valormok is Belgrom's personal revenge against the Sin'dorei there (Though the Shattered Hand are quick to take advantage of the ruins there for their own personal investigation and infiltration work)

[Shadowspeak]

Actually Elves and Orcs were first introduced in The EPic Poem BeoWulf, not Tolkien at all..

Anyway, Tolkienite Orcs are actually elves mutated by Morgoth, and aren't "Orcs" at all.

ANyway, Orcs have been making deals with Blood Elves long before the Blood Elves or the Expansion were ever thought of. Just get to level 40 or so and go talk to Belgrom Rockmaul. He'll explain to you (He's a General of the Horde forces and has several regiments in the Thousand Needles, Hillsbrad, and Azshara all under his direct command) that he made a pact with a Blood Elf Female (He sorta fell for her) and let one of his companied under her command to help her in the Northern Azshara Peninsula. ..then the woman backstabbed him and killed his entire force there. So Belgrom, not to be outdone by some elf-whore, built Valormok and set up base there (everything there belongs to him). The whole point of Valormok is Belgrom's personal revenge against the Sin'dorei there (Though the Shattered Hand are quick to take advantage of the ruins there for their own personal investigation and infiltration work)

Those Orcs were the first Orcs.

And the Elves in Beowulf were more like Gnomes, physicaly.

[Shadowspeak]

Regardless, Tolkien made the "elf" that we think of today when we hear the word "Elf".

People used to say Elves "Elfs", but Tolkien said "What a minute... you don't say 'knifes', you say Knives!"

That man was big into language.

[EnheilRas]

He was also a hack who couldn't stay solid on any topic, which is why the culture devoted to him have arguements that have drawn blood about what the hell he meant over the smallest things..

I've been in the middle of such discussions while playing NationStates..
all the main power base in that game used to be Tolkienite Nerds.

[Shadowspeak]

He was also a hack who couldn't stay solid on any topic, which is why the culture devoted to him have arguements that have drawn blood about what the hell he meant over the smallest things..

I've been in the middle of such discussions while playing NationStates..
all the main power base in that game used to be Tolkienite Nerds.

Tolkien was not a hack, but he was lazy. You know some of the greatest poems written by Shakespear were written as the play was being played?

The nerds are just asshats.

And Tolkien is the reason I am playing WoW.


...



>.>

[Fhenrir]

<--Sick of LOTR being compared to WoW


I'm calling in a restraining order. LOTR must stay 100 feet from WoW at all times. Especially their stupid mindless "orcs".

[Shadowspeak]

<--Sick of LOTR being compared to WoW


I'm calling in a restraining order. LOTR must stay 100 feet from WoW at all times. Especially their stupid mindless "orcs".

well, those were the first ones. I'm not compairing the two, just more or less saying that tolkien is the reason were playing the game.


*ducks while running away from, the thread*

[EnheilRas]

No, Cool Orcs are the reason I am playing this game.

I'd still be on Lineage II if not for this game (Because they also have cool Orcs, and giant bouncing boobies).

[Fallacy]

Alright, keep it clean, folks. I don't want to have to delete posts again.

[Keraph]

No, Cool Orcs are the reason I am playing this game.

I'd still be on Lineage II if not for this game (Because they also have cool Orcs, and giant bouncing boobies).

I liked L2. I did NOT like the most severe level gring an MMO has ever seen.


....private servers ftw.

[EnheilRas]

I loved Lineage II before they opened the North American Beta.

No problems with any player, be they Korean or Japanese.

Had good fun..

then the Americans came.. what bullshit!

http://www.lineage2.com/images/knowledge/screenshots/sshotOrc05.jpg

Fuck yeah..

http://www.lineage2.com/images/knowledge/screenshots/sshotDarkelf04.jpg

yay for unnecessary cleavage

[Keraph]

Man. The graphics, the story, everything about that game was awesome.

Except the FECKING level grind >.<

[Visca]

Believe it or not, but actually the Norse came up with Elves.

The Forsaken, yes have gone extreme. But they do have reasons to be what they are. In WoW no race was completely Evil or completely Good. But then the Draenei came along and ruined that :mad:

...Which I'll stop myself from ranting about it now.

Blood Elves and Forsaken are my favorite races due to their Rp possibilities and they are Really developed lore wise. Blood Elves are extreme after all that has happened to them, betrayed and attacked from all sides... and the Forsaken are constantly attacked by those who were their friends and family as well as the Scourge. So I can see their view points, why they have gone to such manners. Some of the things they do, yeah... not good. But that doesn't make the Whole race evil.

[Qabian]

The thread necromancy burns me.

[Visca]

What the fact I go back and find things of interest and bring them back up? Sorry, just it interested me, so I posted.

[Qabian]

It's not that it's bad, it's that new threads are better than old ones. That's all.

[Icia]

The Forsaken, yes have gone extreme. But they do have reasons to be what they are. In WoW no race was completely Evil or completely Good. But then the Draenei came along and ruined that :mad:I disagree, Thunder Bluff Tauren and Ironforge Dwarves were completely good, and Forsaken were completely evil.

Sure, there are the Grimtotem and the Dark Iron, but aside from the princess running off with the Dark Iron, the factions have little to do with each other.

[Naheal]

I disagree, Thunder Bluff Tauren and Ironforge Dwarves were completely good, and Forsaken were completely evil.

Sure, there are the Grimtotem and the Dark Iron, but aside from the princess running off with the Dark Iron, the factions have little to do with each other.

I'll point out that the Grimtotem are part of the Thunder Bluff Tauren. Even Magatha has a place THERE. The dwarves can, and frequently do, fall into a sort of greed that tends to take in their race.

As for the Forsaken, they're not specifically evil, more just incredibly callous. Which is understandable, considering they've had everything that they held dear ripped away from them by a prince they loved dearly.

And, as for the Draenei... All I'll say is the Aldor. I can't even get into their damned temple to attempt to see it. Nothing is more discouraging when you're playing someone trying to redeem themselves when few of those who "follow the light" will even give you the time of day.