RMP and Prejudice - The Ugly Truth?

[Cessily]

Another topic I thought it might be interesting to share!

http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/24715-Racism_in_WoW__The_RMP_prejudice

[Yatokth]

90% of the imbalance only exists in your heads.

I tell this (in different words) to everyone who QQs about WoW's imbalance.

[Raziel]

technically, it's classism.

[Ryoku]

I tell this (in different words) to everyone who QQs about WoW's imbalance.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7756/arenafinaldestination4.jpg

[Irontoe]

technically, it's classism.

DENIAL IS CONFIRMATION.

[Kaliera]

I tell this (in different words) to everyone who QQs about WoW's imbalance.

This. In terms of class representation, the game is about as balanced as it will ever get. Damage and healing are both still out of control, but at this point in the expansion, it'll take another stamina revamp to fix the problems caused by soaring iLevel on equipment.

[Swerto]

WTB Cleave team.

[Härken]

PMR actually does take skill compared to alot of the other 3's comps I don't see why people would complain

[Xiphus]

People always find reason to complain about one thing or another. If they suck playing a character, they blame character imbalance rather than their lack of skills. If they are terrible as healers, they say that other characters are imba healers rather than themselves being terrible healers.

[Szordrin]

PMR actually does take skill compared to alot of the other 3's comps I don't see why people would complain

About as much skill as holy paladin.

[Yatokth]

About as much skill as holy paladin.

I see what you did there.

[Tsu]

idk what you're talking about rmp takes loads of skill

you know how much concentration it takes to stop turreting frostbolts and smash your focus cs macro during a kill window?

[opalexian]

I'm sure that author is not a R, M, or P.

[Fhenrir]

Realistically, RMP has tended to work in two fashions for a long time now. The comp is really easy to learn and often faceroll the competition with, but is difficult to master. Truly skilled RMP teams are fucking devastating, and take a lot of coordination and skill to truly harness the full potential. Though in many cases, an amazingly talented team with a different comp opposing them can do just as well.

RMP ended up being singled out as the most assiest of ass teams because in BC, arenas quickly became about control, and RMP excels at control and burst at the same time. So it circled around to FotM, and then just lingered around forever since the team constantly has potential for burst and CC. The reason everyone hates it more than say, Resto Druid/Warlock/Hunter, is simply because it's more popular.

[Tsu]

yeah except RMP actually took some semblance of skill in TBC cuz you actually had to use that control instead of globalling someone in an imp cs

the irony is that what such "skilled" individuals complain most about i've noticed is melee cleaves killing people in a strangulate for example

yeah, such a HUGE difference, but no RMP takes more skill cuz you have CASTERS and man do casters take skill because they have to cast and THATS HARD (speaking of casters, lol @ dpriest damage... fair and balanced)

furthermore - put a good mage with a not-completely-retarded priest and rogue and you have a pretty damn good rmp

TLDR mages make the rmp good, and what makes rmp good is that for 7 seasons running its been one of the only comps that actually can outplay near anything given enough relative skill as opposed to straight up outcomping (basically it stands a fighting chance against practically anything)

only comp i can think of that was similar was WLD from mid-late TBC

[Yatokth]

yeah except RMP actually took some semblance of skill in TBC cuz you actually had to use that control instead of globalling someone in an imp cs

the irony is that what such "skilled" individuals complain most about i've noticed is melee cleaves killing people in a strangulate for example

yeah, such a HUGE difference, but no RMP takes more skill cuz you have CASTERS and man do casters take skill because they have to cast and THATS HARD (speaking of casters, lol @ dpriest damage... fair and balanced)

furthermore - put a good mage with a not-completely-retarded priest and rogue and you have a pretty damn good rmp

TLDR mages make the rmp good, and what makes rmp good is that for 7 seasons running its been one of the only comps that actually can outplay near anything given enough relative skill as opposed to straight up outcomping (basically it stands a fighting chance against practically anything)

only comp i can think of that was similar was WLD from mid-late TBC

Yeah because at high level play skill means nothing unless you RMP!

Wait.

[Irontoe]

yeah except RMP actually took some semblance of skill in TBC cuz you actually had to use that control instead of globalling someone in an imp cs

If you're getting globalled by a mage, get better heals or get more resilience. I mean, Jesus, that's bad.


the irony is that what such "skilled" individuals complain most about i've noticed is melee cleaves killing people in a strangulate for example

yeah, such a HUGE difference, but no RMP takes more skill cuz you have CASTERS and man do casters take skill because they have to cast and THATS HARD (speaking of casters, lol @ dpriest damage... fair and balanced)

Not a @#$% clue what you said here.


furthermore - put a good mage with a not-completely-retarded priest and rogue and you have a pretty damn good rmp

Yes, and if you put a good hunter with a good warrior and a good shaman, then you have a pretty good HWS. Oh, I have another one. If you put a good death knight with a good murloc and a ripe tomato, you have a pretty good DKMT.


TLDR mages make the rmp good, and what makes rmp good is that for 7 seasons running its been one of the only comps that actually can outplay near anything given enough relative skill as opposed to straight up outcomping (basically it stands a fighting chance against practically anything)

No, you're wrong.

[Yatokth]

If you're getting globalled by a mage, get better heals or get more resilience. I mean, Jesus, that's bad.

Good RMPs definitely kill people in CS, but they use their control to wear people down for sure, if you know how to fight RMP and predict what they'll do you can stop globaling. This is pretty much true of any combo.

People who complain about globaling (as in, killing someone before it is humanly possible to react) in this environment are either fighting wizard cleave, or not playing correctly.


Not a @#$% clue what you said here.

Sarcasm.


Yes, and if you put a good hunter with a good warrior and a good shaman, then you have a pretty good HWS. Oh, I have another one. If you put a good death knight with a good murloc and a ripe tomato, you have a pretty good DKMT.

His point being that RMP relies alot on a good mage. He's right.


No, you're wrong.

No u.

[Tsu]

no im pretty sure i'm 100% correct and anyone who's played arena past like 1800 at all knows what im talking about concerning rmp and its biases for and against


there's a fine line between a 2500 rmp and a 2200 rmp and it's most noticable in how the mage plays and overall how they control the game as MOST teams (and most teams in general in WotLK) just spam damage while overlapping cc and silences etc






PS IN BEFORE I GET MODDED FOR TROLLING OR OFFTOPIC REMARKS

If I'm going to mod you for anything it's gonna be using like four blank lines between each paragraph. L2postStructure.

[Irontoe]

Sarcasm.

I got that much. I just don't know what his point was.


His point being that RMP relies alot on a good mage. He's right.

OK.


No u.

No u good sir.

[Yatokth]

there's a fine line between a 2500 rmp and a 2200 rmp and it's most noticable in how the mage plays and overall how they control the game as MOST teams (and most teams in general in WotLK) just spam damage while overlapping cc and silences etc

This is correct.

A bad mage means we will roll over the opposing RMP. A good one means we have to fight for it.

I disagree with your apparent assessment of TBC PvP being better than LK PvP - that's bullshit.

[Tsu]

also my reference to RMP globalling someone is a tad bit exaggerated for the current state of arena, but im sure you all remember how exciting triple engi rmp or arcane/mut was before nerfs in s5


edit: the PACE in TBC was much better - as in the relative balance of damage to healing - everything else mostly has improved

[Yatokth]

also my reference to RMP globalling someone is a tad bit exaggerated for the current state of arena, but im sure you all remember how exciting triple engi rmp or arcane/mut was before nerfs in s5

Oh Jesus.

When I reference LK PvP, I discount Season 5.

The most unbalanced season this game has ever seen, and hopefully ever will see.

EDIT: I agree that certain damage (Warriors with ArP, Destro Lock, Ele Sham) is much too powerful, and healing in general is pretty ludicrous (lol 9k FoL) but many of those problems are specific specs/classes and could be fixed via specific changes. I like the 'pacing' as it is now tbh.

[Tsu]

damage in general is too high - BURST on some classes or specs is a bit out of control, but in general damage has gone up too

take rogues for instances

remember 4/4 rogues and how they did ridiculous damage for the time

in comparison to every rogue being mutilate now the damage difference is night and day, and that's generally WITHOUT that top of the line pve gear

[Yatokth]

I have to say the only damage I've noticed that is ludicrous in general is from PvE geared peeps - which are only safe from not being blown up if they are:

1 - A Warrior on Double Healer/Warrior. Stupid.

2 - A rogue. Fuckin' hell.

And general damage has indeed gone up, so has healing, but I'm not necessarily sure that's a bad thing. Just means it's a faster game. I can see how if you have a slow reaction time this becomes a problem, but good players still win out barring lag.

[Tsu]

I guess that's more preference - I preferred "chess" of TBC more, but that's me


also, pve geared paladins and dks are dumb as hell


4 pc t8 prot pal gemmed stamina is probably the single most retarded thing i've ever seen in this game, including shadowfrost dks

[Yatokth]

Agree.

Thing I didn't like about BC was that it became more about the mana bar than the health bar in too many cases -- I much prefer the "fighting game" style of LK, where you have one or two big clashes, and it depends on who uses and counters cooldowns more effectively to win.

Both are types of strategy, but indeed different.

[Fhenrir]

No, you're wrong.
Actually, he's right. RMP is probably the only comp that's been not only viable, but competitive against any other FotM team for every arena season to date. His points about RMP being most reliant on a talented mage are also largely accurate, though obviously the mage having talented teammates will help out a lot.

[Irontoe]

Actually, he's right. RMP is probably the only comp that's been not only viable, but competitive against any other FotM team for every arena season to date. His points about RMP being most reliant on a talented mage are also largely accurate, though obviously the mage having talented teammates will help out a lot.

He was greatly exaggerating its effectiveness, I thought, particularly in this season. Comps with warlocks and shaman are doing much better in general than RMP.

[Fhenrir]

Such is the ebb and flow of popularity. I bet there are still a number of successful RMP makeups out there this season, though.

[Yatokth]

RMP is still strong, it's just that Wizard Cleave, RLS, and its variants are also very strong.

LOL LAVA BURST.

[Tsu]

http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/team/3/all/all/all/all/


rmp is good as ever