If you're a warlock...

[Lysimachus]

And a warrior comes flying toward you with the spinny death thing, then do you just have to take the damage?

Seeing as how we have no escape or fast-movement mechanisms like blink, unless you happen to be an engineer (which I'm not!)

I suppose the same goes for when a DK uses unholy bubble.

Fellow warlocks, whatchoo do when dis happens?

[Yatokth]

You have your handy dandy demonic teleport circle up a good 20 yards away and you GET THE FUCKING FUCK OUT.

[Draekon]

You have your handy dandy demonic teleport circle up a good 20 yards away and you GET THE FUCKING FUCK OUT.

^

That.

[Aphraelle]

Pretty much exactly what Yat said.

[Kyrion]

Take it like a man Lys...../wink

[Trigin]

Yes take it like a champ or you can wimp out and use the demonic teleport thing

[Nymare]

Teleport thing is only handy if you've dropped it prior to warrior falling out of the sky and doing ballet on your face.

Or traveling around as SL/affliction with a blueberry out is handy for panic moments.

And resilience.



...and a pocketmage.

[Lysimachus]

...and a pocketmage.

XD So true!

The demonic circle is obviously the answer here, and in most settings that would work perfectly. The worst case scenario I suppose is being surprised or some such... In which case I suppose the resilience and/or pocketmage would work best!

[Catilyn]

Curse of Exhustion / Conflag Daze / Shadowfury Stun / Frostweave Net + Run Like Hell.

Personally, I save the Demonic Circle for after the major damaging cooldowns like Bladestorm - they either cancel it, or are kited and do no damage.

As for Death Knights... Anti-Magic Shell doesn't rid you of any magic or movement impairing effects already on you, the trick is to already have them snared before they use it, so you can just kite them.

Always, always, ALWAYS save the Demonic Circle for after a Death Grip.

....or just roll Worgen/Goblin and use Darkflight/Rocket Jump respectively.

[Szordrin]

Well.. You dont stand in the spinny death thing cause thats bladestorm. You RUN.

[Swerto]

You die, because even after you teleport I just click my bladestorm off, intercept you, and fuck your shit up further. Well unless I was an idiot and used my bladestorm at the very start of the fight (oh silly me).

[Qabian]

To be fair, Bladestorm eats through a pocketmage just as easily (with the notable exception of Blink and Invis, of course). Frost Nova, Shattered Barrier, Frostbite, Elemental Freeze, Deep Freeze, Polymorph, Slow, Blast Wave, Dragon's Breath, Frostbolt/Frostfire Bolt chill, Improved Blizzard chill, Ice Armor chill, massive toolbox of magely crap, Bladestorm just shrugs them all off like water off a duck's back or some other more appropriate metaphor. It's like Pally Bubble without Mass Dispel. Run away until it's over. But a multitude of distractions and the ability to pat on the head and lock down again post-Bladestorm are certainly handy.

Always know where your circle is!

[Szordrin]

Bladestorm = run. All cloth classes have outs or ways to mitigate the damage.


Also you forgot two. Blink and Iceblock.

While we're at it...

Paladins have Sacred Shield and Glyph of Salvation (If not, Divine Protection cause most warriors are dumb enough to waste Bladestorm on something NOT Divine Shield).

Priests have Powerword: Shield and either Guardian Spirit or Pain Suppression.

Warlocks have Demon Armor/Sack their pet/Circle of Teleport or whatever that thing is called.

Rogues can pop evasion, or sprint.

Deathknights have.. well, basically everything to laugh at a warrior with. (lulz)

Warriors have turtling or if you're pro, retaliate that shit on them cause they probably arent pro.

Hunters can disengage and some other shit that I dont really care about.

Shamans have ghost wolf and other means of mitigation but best bet is run like hell.

Druids... are druids. 'nuff said. GG.

When it comes down to bladestorm - you cant stop/slow/stun a warrior from moving. That would be overpowered against the warrior class so your best bet is to mitigate or book it.

[Swerto]

Priests, paladins, shamans, and druids can effectively heal through it if it's not a top end geared warrior, even with mortal strike up. If they have no way to 'get away' from it left, it is their best bet, at least the bladestorm will end with them having near the same amount of life, if not more.

[Vaaldis]

If you're a warlock, and this is a world PVP situation and the fucker came out of no where, run like hell. While you're riding on your mount through Azeroth you're sure as hell not planting your circle every 40 yards. Pop your demon bubble thing and run like hell.

[Xenorin]

I drop my demonic circle every 40 yards everywhere I go.

Just to be safe.

Takes a hella long time to get to Dalaran from the Tundra.

But it is so worth it.

[Kirick]

I thought this was going to be something to the tune of "If I was a rich girl."

[Lysimachus]

Bladestorm = run. All cloth classes have outs or ways to mitigate the damage.


Also you forgot two. Blink and Iceblock.


I know I'm posting this on my mage, but it's for ma warlock. As a mage I can usually get away from it well enough.

Anyway, I do need to learn to use Demon Circle expertly. In an arena it's really not as much of a problem I would expect, but in BG fights I don't always remember to throw it down before charging into the fray <_<

I suppose that's just because it's so new, having only hit eighty recently.

[Szordrin]

If you're a warlock, and this is a world PVP situation and the fucker came out of no where, run like hell. While you're riding on your mount through Azeroth you're sure as hell not planting your circle every 40 yards. Pop your demon bubble thing and run like hell.

The warrior cant just drop down from the sky and do bladestorm right off the bat. You fear get him cc'd long enough to put down that circle, it's not a long cast but yeah, you can still run.

[Xenorin]

The warrior cant just drop down from the sky and do bladestorm right off the bat. You fear get him cc'd long enough to put down that circle, it's not a long cast but yeah, you can still run.
If you are a very resourceful warrior, pop a rage potion while dropping out of the sky and roflcopter your way to glory?

edit:

...I wanna do this now...just for the shock reaction of someone seeing a Bladestorming warrior dropping down out of nowhere onto them.

I would get my ass handed to me, but still. XD

[Nymare]

The warrior cant just drop down from the sky and do bladestorm right off the bat. You fear get him cc'd long enough to put down that circle, it's not a long cast but yeah, you can still run.

No, you don't fear him.

I'll admit I don't know much about the way most warrior mechanics work, and that is doom on me, however... from my limited experience with them and unless I'm reading this talent wrongly, they are immune to fear (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=46924) while bladestorming. It's like the warrior version of BRK (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34692), only THEY'RE the big red kitty... the big, red, spinny kitty.

Also in my experience with warriors, I'm usually hamstringed. Hamstrung? However you want to conjugate it, this doesn't usually make running an option. Granted, it takes 10 rage to pull that off, which means it does not apply to the set up here where someone just lands on your face and spins up, but I'm also pretty sure I've been hamstringed way more often than I've ever had someone just come up and bladestorm me with no foreplay (re: 25 rage). Except the random suicide stormer dropping into the group of horde pewing their turrets in WG... but that doesn't count because they usually don't live long anyway.

Blahblahblah aside, assuming you've pre-emptively dropped a circle, I suppose you can portal, trinket, and run like a little girl until it's over, then commence the fearkiting. Demo and affliction locks are most likely to live through this - a soul linked blueberry with a bubble popped and a talented corruption, and even an haunt if you can get it off, should make sure you live. Unless you're wearing toilet paper. If you're out in the world, you better be specced for soul link.


...the pocketmage is more for moral support and bandaging me after. Edit: and the strudel. Just... eat until it doesn't hurt anymore.

[Agnarr]

Not sure what the rage cost of spinny doom is, but warriors can mid-air charge (+stun), and that'll get you like 15 rage right there.

[Nymare]

Even better! Looks like the ballet doom cost is 25 rage (assuming there's no talented discount where, if the victim pees himself, it costs less, or you gen more rage, or...something. See: no idea how warriors work). So, mid-air charge, 15 rage... and theeeeeen?

[Agnarr]

Just looked up Charge...it generates 25 rage. So yeah, air-charge, which ends in a 1.5 second stun, bladestorm. GG

Actually, that almost makes me want to respec...

[Xenorin]

Just looked up Charge...it generates 25 rage. So yeah, air-charge, which ends in a 1.5 second stun, bladestorm. GG

Actually, that almost makes me want to respec...

I'm telling you, Flying > Dismount > Rage Potion > Parachute Cloak > WHIRLYBIRD > /rofl

[Swerto]

Just looked up Charge...it generates 25 rage. So yeah, air-charge, which ends in a 1.5 second stun, bladestorm. GG

Actually, that almost makes me want to respec...
If your specced that's just the charge. Add on the melee hit you get automatically just becasue it's the beginning of the fight, you'll sit at around 58 rage. The best way to use that rage is to mortal strike, of course.

[Yatokth]

Bladestorm = run. All cloth classes have outs or ways to mitigate the damage.


Also you forgot two. Blink and Iceblock. IB it, but not too early. If you try to anticipate you'll blow the CD and then I will rape you. And don't blink off the bat for god's sake.

While we're at it...

Paladins have Sacred Shield and Glyph of Salvation (If not, Divine Protection cause most warriors are dumb enough to waste Bladestorm on something NOT Divine Shield). This pro knows what he's talking about.

Priests have Powerword: Shield and either Guardian Spirit or Pain Suppression. PS right as I storm - not before or after. Also, don't run. You won't get away. Just cast heals through it. You can try a greater heal to force me a pummel and cancel it early.

Warlocks have Demon Armor/Sack their pet/Circle of Teleport or whatever that thing is called. Tele is best.

Rogues can pop evasion, or sprint. Or use that handy dandy feint + glyphed Cloak of Shadows to make it hit for about 400 and then continue locking you down for the entire fight after its done. Rogues counter warriors harder than any other class 1v1.

Deathknights have.. well, basically everything to laugh at a warrior with. NOT REALLY. As long as you are a smart Warrior and break down bone shield and TIME YOUR BLADESTORM WITH GRIM TOLL then as long as you DISARM HIM FIRST so he can't death strike tank it, he is going to EAT lots of damage. Be sure to keep MS up at all times to avoid a full ghoul sac. If he's blood you're kinda boned tho.

Warriors have turtling or if you're pro, retaliate that shit on them cause they probably arent pro. Retal is a funny one, but I prefer shield block as it entirely nullifies their damage, only uses one defensive cooldown, and you can revenge spam them while they're in it. Note that if you are bladestorming another Warrior, you had better disarm them or they will do this to you.

Hunters can disengage and some other shit that I dont really care about. Deterrence. I'm going to disarm you so you can't use it though, so disengage is also good. The best way to avoid Bladestorm is just be so good at kiting I don't get a chance to use it.

Shamans have ghost wolf and other means of mitigation but best bet is run like hell. Ghost Wolf is the best way, since Tstorm doesn't work. If you're enhance, make sure to use that quasi-sprint now. If Resto, DO. NOT. RUN. You won't get away. Just cast heals through it, it's your best bet of staying alive.

Druids... are druids. 'nuff said. GG. Eh I usually smoke baddie druids with storm, but good ones just travel form out of snares and gtfo. Stupid class to fight 1v1.

When it comes down to bladestorm - you cant stop/slow/stun a warrior from moving. That would be overpowered against the warrior class so your best bet is to mitigate or book it.

There. Finished it off for you. The class it's really the most potent against is Shamans, which is why I rarely ever lose a shaman duel.

Oh and quick tip if you're in arenas, DO NOT HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE STAND IN THE BLADESTORM. I'm going to use Sweeping Strikes, which causes each hit I do to hit an additional target, which means if I'm bladestorming two people, each hit of bladestorm is also going to hit the other guy, essentially doubling the ability's damage. So when you're getting bladestormed, HAVE YOUR PARTNERS GET OUT -

The exception being when you can kill him through bladestorm because he cannot turtle (or do anything else) during it.

And if you hadn't noticed a trend:

If you have no escape outs, don't run from Bladestorm unless you have a speed increase - you won't get away. Just keep casting/healing/smashing and hope you can outdo the warrior, because that's your best shot when CDs are down.

[Szordrin]

No, you don't fear him.

I'll admit I don't know much about the way most warrior mechanics work, and that is doom on me, however... from my limited experience with them and unless I'm reading this talent wrongly, they are immune to fear (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=46924) while bladestorming. It's like the warrior version of BRK (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34692), only THEY'RE the big red kitty... the big, red, spinny kitty.

Also in my experience with warriors, I'm usually hamstringed. Hamstrung? However you want to conjugate it, this doesn't usually make running an option. Granted, it takes 10 rage to pull that off, which means it does not apply to the set up here where someone just lands on your face and spins up, but I'm also pretty sure I've been hamstringed way more often than I've ever had someone just come up and bladestorm me with no foreplay (re: 25 rage). Except the random suicide stormer dropping into the group of horde pewing their turrets in WG... but that doesn't count because they usually don't live long anyway.

Blahblahblah aside, assuming you've pre-emptively dropped a circle, I suppose you can portal, trinket, and run like a little girl until it's over, then commence the fearkiting. Demo and affliction locks are most likely to live through this - a soul linked blueberry with a bubble popped and a talented corruption, and even an haunt if you can get it off, should make sure you live. Unless you're wearing toilet paper. If you're out in the world, you better be specced for soul link.


...the pocketmage is more for moral support and bandaging me after. Edit: and the strudel. Just... eat until it doesn't hurt anymore.



You read what I said wrongly, not the talent (I might not have been clear so that could have been my fault). The warrior cant bladestorm off the bat so there for, your opporunity to fear is at the beginning of the battle. Therefore, I wasn't saying to fear while he's doing it. It takes quite a bit of rage for them to use bladestorm and so beating on you is what will give it to them. As far as hamstring goes, I dont know exactly when(since everyone is different) they put their debuffs down or in what order but you see that guy flying down, you should know by now they arent going to make it easy for you.

Never try to CC during bladestorm cause you should either be running or popping defensive cooldowns (or like Yat poetically put it, smash moar).

If it's Yat, you could just duck your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye though. I saw that guy take out 4/5 people in a single bladestorm. D:

[Yatokth]

You read what I said wrongly, not the talent (I might not have been clear so that could have been my fault). The warrior cant bladestorm off the bat so there for, your opporunity to fear is at the beginning of the battle. Therefore, I wasn't saying to fear while he's doing it. It takes quite a bit of rage for them to use bladestorm and so beating on you is what will give it to them. As far as hamstring goes, I dont know exactly when(since everyone is different) they put their debuffs down or in what order but you see that guy flying down, you should know by now they arent going to make it easy for you.

Never try to CC during bladestorm cause you should either be running or popping defensive cooldowns (or like Yat poetically put it, smash moar).

If it's Yat, you could just duck your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye though. I saw that guy take out 4/5 people in a single bladestorm. D:

Fearing a Warrior is a waste in general. It's ACCEPTABLE against non-undead if you can get it off, and then after zerker rage is down, Death Coil > Fear. But it's probably gonna get pummeled the first time, which is just going to make the health gap larger as he beats on you for 4 seconds uninterrupted.

If it's undead, don't bother.

[Gorymoru]

I has question. When is Demon Armor ever good? I mean, minus for Affliction warlocks. 1300 more armor as a clothy is NOT significant enough to make up for the SP you'll get with Fel Armor. I've never survived longer with DA, and it usually just nerfs my damage.

Second. Why does everyone think Demo locks are so hardcore? I see Demo in PvP and I laugh my ass off. It's pathetic. Destro is a hell of a lot more threatening to me than Aff or Demo, and that's because I know what kind of crit-storm we can summon.

All in all, underestimating a warlock is the last mistake you'll ever make.

[Vaaldis]

I has question. When is Demon Armor ever good? I mean, minus for Affliction warlocks. 1300 more armor as a clothy is NOT significant enough to make up for the SP you'll get with Fel Armor. I've never survived longer with DA, and it usually just nerfs my damage.

You'll usually only see Aff locks using it. Usually.



Second. Why does everyone think Demo locks are so hardcore? I see Demo in PvP and I laugh my ass off. It's pathetic. Destro is a hell of a lot more threatening to me than Aff or Demo, and that's because I know what kind of crit-storm we can summon.

No one thinks demo locks are hardcore in PVP.

[Gorymoru]

Eh. Everyone I talk to on other realms seems to regard it like I do ret pallies. Killable, but still blood-fucking annoying. And they really aren't that hard. At all.

[Nymare]

I has question. When is Demon Armor ever good? I mean, minus for Affliction warlocks. 1300 more armor as a clothy is NOT significant enough to make up for the SP you'll get with Fel Armor. I've never survived longer with DA, and it usually just nerfs my damage

It makes a big enough difference that I won't tank Chillmaw without it. Did that on accident once and regretted it >.>, it made that big of a difference. It's also recommended in arena to pop demon armor when you're dealing with melee like rogues and warriors. There, I don't know for certain if it makes a difference as I keep it up by default since I'm typically the first target and tend to forget to switch out of it, probably to the detriment of our group when it comes down to needing to finish off that pillar humping druid on the other team faster than it can pillar hump, but I do know that I'm not an easy kill in those situations. Of course, I've only just started arena-ing as a warlock so I can't give much more in the way of "this works better than that!" than, well, that. I do know, though, that out in the world when I'm running as affliction and have demon armor up, Qabian and I have had epic moments where people have stood and beat on me and we've wiped out rogue after rogue after druid after whatever the hell else decided to join in while we're doing dailies, making me an advocate for the demon armor. It helps you survive the blowing of the cooldowns at least, where the extra spell power from fel armor isn't going to help you if you're locked down or otherwise incapable of getting a spell off beyond corruption.

[Yatokth]

Eh. Everyone I talk to on other realms seems to regard it like I do ret pallies. Killable, but still blood-fucking annoying. And they really aren't that hard. At all.

Then they're stupid.

Demo is laughably bad.

Sure, it can take -me- 1v1 maybe, but at just about everything else it gets smoked. Destro is the most threatening to me.

[Tylorvias]

I know I'm posting this on my mage, but it's for ma warlock. As a mage I can usually get away from it well enough.

Anyway, I do need to learn to use Demon Circle expertly. In an arena it's really not as much of a problem I would expect, but in BG fights I don't always remember to throw it down before charging into the fray <_<

I suppose that's just because it's so new, having only hit eighty recently.

This. I forgot mine all the time as well, now I've become fairly adept with it. I suggest that once you feel like you have the basic usage of it down you take it to the next level which is repositioning it to your benefit midfight. It's an incredibly simple spell, but it is also the most useful in the warlock arsenal imo.

[Roth'rili]

Yatokth as enlighten me on a new trick I been loving with my warrior (sweeping strikes/bladestorm) I been playing. I find it fun too that against hunters and warlocks using your pet on me while sweeping strikes and bladestorm is up is like having your partner in the storm too. More DMG!

I seem to have hard times with blueberry carrying warlocks and that sacrifice shield. By the time I break that thing down, if its a afflicition lock, dots have really have worked me down. Before I got my resilience I was two shotted mostly by destro warlocks incinerate/chaos bolt, incinerate/conflag, so forth so on.

[Yatokth]

Yatokth as enlighten me on a new trick I been loving with my warrior (sweeping strikes/bladestorm) I been playing. I find it fun too that against hunters and warlocks using your pet on me while sweeping strikes and bladestorm is up is like having your partner in the storm too. More DMG!

I seem to have hard times with blueberry carrying warlocks and that sacrifice shield. By the time I break that thing down, if its a afflicition lock, dots have really have worked me down. Before I got my resilience I was two shotted mostly by destro warlocks incinerate/chaos bolt, incinerate/conflag, so forth so on.

Your Warr's armory?

It's likely that you just don't have a high enough ilevel weapon - Warrior weapon scaling is simply disgusting. Additionally, make sure that if he's casting it and you're low rage, PUMMEL IT. Fear, Haunt, UA, w/e, that's 4 seconds of him not being able to do jack shit.

If he's destro you can do immolate too.

Be sure if he gets away from you and you don't have a charge (how? dunno but sometimes it happens) put up spell reflect.

And it is definitely useful against Warlocks, Hunters, and Unholy DKs (fuckers) but what's even BETTER is taking your intimidating shout button and then targeting their pet (I have a mouseover macro) and then using it so they eat the unbreakable fear.

This is great against locks w/ succubus cause it CC's their CC for a bit.

[Kained]

You ask the warrior politely to stop spinning in circles with a sharp edged weapon and then offer him a rewarding friendship. If that fails.

Pop a demonic circle run up about 10 yds Teleport back by then the storm should of ended Deathcoil him Curse of elements begin cast imolate shadow fury then cast chaos bolt conflag then incinerate him once run 10 more yds when he charges you teleport back and open another can O' Whoop ass on him.

[JukeboX]

Warriors inmune to fear????

They r not.... I can have controlled any 1 player with fear as im an affliction lock... I maintain my DoTs hit fear while Drain life goes by... then repat DotS and fear again....

[Härken]

And a warrior comes flying toward you with the spinny death thing, then do you just have to take the damage?

Seeing as how we have no escape or fast-movement mechanisms like blink, unless you happen to be an engineer (which I'm not!)

I suppose the same goes for when a DK uses unholy bubble.

Fellow warlocks, whatchoo do when dis happens?

If your destro a good two step combo is

Curse of elements --> seduce --> Immolate -->Seduce --> Chaos bolt --> CHAIN SHADOWFURY!!!!--> Conflag --> Get as 2-3 incens off with the 30% haste buff if possible if not use death coil rinse wash repeat

That usually is enough to lock out a warrior completely for me, usualy get hit 2-3 times maybe about it.

If the warriors nailing you and can't stop him while hes blade storming don't panic set down a demo circle try to go around LoS and teleport. Remember Demo circle isnt affected by LoS giving you a big advantage.

[Aquizit]

If they hamstring you first, THEN bladestorm, or if they hamstring you at all, teleport.

The teleport should remove the snare.
Also works on Chains of Ice, Crippling Poison, Wing Clip (lol melee hunter), frost bolt and all those others.

What? You're stunned? Just eat the death, warlocks and holy priests do not have a stun removal or damage reduction while stunned. Shadow priests have dispersion, disc priests can glyph pain suppression, mages... fuck you mages.