Gear check?

[Lisbet]

Are you ready for raiding? Need some advice on gems or enchants? Ask those questions here - post your armory - and get some advice :)

[Feorn]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Zulfeo

I'm too lazy to read EJ anymore, feed me the lowdown on priest gemming and enchanting these days. :P

[Moknim]

Lisbet knows more than me, but...

In General for Healers (not sure about the MP5 healers, but for druids/priests):
Socket: SP is better than anything else, only pickup socket bonuses if they are SP bonuses (the rest are typically crap in comparison to the extra SP you could get from a red gem)

Enchant: SP is better than anything else, take it wherever you can. Places you can't, there are usually obvious choices (like stats to chest). The haste one is typically better for back, even for healers (10 spirit is okay, just not great).

Meta: get the SP + Int. one until hard modes, then switch over to the Int + restore mana if/when you start having mana problems. Corollary: only keep enough non-red gems to grab whatever meta you are using.

For You:
Re-enchant your bracers for SP and (possibly) your feet for run speed (depends on what you are doing, but a lot of raiding guilds require run speed) and your back for haste. I think the head enchant (crit v. mp5) is a personal choice, but I would take MP5 for healing.

Re-gem your helm (I would replace meta [optional] and definitely the Int. gem), chest (SP), and belt (SP). Don't feel obligated to pickup socket bonuses and even when you do, use hybrid gems instead of straight one color gems.

My .02.

[Lisbet]

Bad Mok! Don't tell him to regem for spell power! Priests Do NOT regem for spell power unless you are a disc tank healing priest. Holy priests should nearly NEVER be tank healing - and even if they are, gemming for spell power is not the best option nine times out of ten.

*cracks knuckles*


Right now with the way holy priest regen works - gemming for intel is about the greatest option available to us. The more mana you have, the more you can heal. The more you heal, the more you crit, the more you crit, the more mana you will regen - Gemming for spell power is not always the best course of action. Stay clear of spirit only gems unless you have very very low spirit - your intel and your spirit should be generally balanced.


Helm - Meta is PERFECT. It is THE holy priest meta. Don't change it.- The JC gem is perfect too. Just remember though that the jc gems will be non-prismatic come the next patch so putting them in places like belts (in the bs socket) is a much better choice.

Neck - your neck is pretty good, but MP5 is really not a super great stat for holy priests - spirit will regen you more, faster. - Do yourself a favor and buy the 19 conquest badge neck - Evokers Charm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45822)

Shoulders - get to work on those sons of hobo dailies for the epic shoulder enchant - you're gimping yourself if you don't. Also - pug nax and pick up either the locust swarm shoulders off Anub - or the Valorous Faith ones - both are better, and easy to obtain.

Back - You're severely hurting on the haste and since you don't have tailoring - change your enchant out for the higher haste enchant. Holy priests should be sitting at around 12% haste fully buffed.

Chest - Upgrade to Valorous Faith if you can, if not, replace that spirit gem! Spirit gems are a no no. Replace it with 8 Intel 8 spirit - Seer's Forest Emerald.

Bracers - Spell power enchant always. Never inteliect. The item itself is a wonderful piece though :)

Gloves - These look good and are enchanted wonderfully :) If you have the available Conq badges pick up Touch of the Occult (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45840) for a nice upgrade. if not, don't worry about it :)

Belt - This belt is okay, but regem it! Stick a spell power gem in this puppy. Really though, do yourself a favor and get the Cord of the White Dawn made and then gem THAT with 19 sp/8 int 9spr/ 19sp. Its going to be your best in slot, hands down. Its pretty much the same as the belt off Maly, and the belt off hm 25 man FL.

Pants - legs are pretty good too (and so do the gems!) - though if you can get the pants off 25 man KT (Leggings of Mortal Aragance) do so - or again, badges of conquest for the Leggings of the Master Conjurer.

Feet - I HISS AT YOUR BOOTS. *tisks* Valor badge boots are a HUGE upgrade if you're having issues with boot drops. - Slippers of the Holy Light (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40751). Or EITHER of the tailoring made ones with runed orbes are good - haste is better for you then crit, so I'd sugest the haste ones. Plus, they have gem sockets. Your enchant is fine. Its really a preference, and I prefer the spirit ;p

Rings - Perfect! You'll run into upgrades as you raid.

Trinkets - If you can get a hold of the spirit greatness card trinket, do it. It's a huge upgrade for you vrs the egg. If not, then shoot for the eyeball of doom off razorscale in 10 mans :) If you can get in a 1 or 2 or heck, 3 drake pug of sarth - grab yourself a Illustration and rollface to victory.


You don't look to bad over all - just remember that you should never gem straight spirit unless you have no other options and you'll never need reduced threat so long as your tank is good so enchant your cloak for haste (if your not a tailor).

Also - pick up Rawr and imput your character. Its not perfect, because it only tells you what's an upgrade based on your current gear - but it helps a lot.

[Feorn]

(Keep in mind I only raid 10s)

@Moknim
My last run at hard mode Iron Council and XT I was averaging around 15% overhealing and running OOM almost every fight without the feral druid's innervate. The mana restore meta is at best 600 mana every 45 seconds and 21 int is almost as much as the 2% int I'd be getting from the other meta. I don't think that 25 spellpower is worth more than 66mp5. So I won't be switching out that meta.

@Lisbet
I have a second set of boots with Tuskarr's on them for movement intensive fights. ( The valor badge healing boots).

Conquest tokens are coming in at a rate of less than 6 per week with the current number of hard modes we do, so the badge neck or any runed orb pieces are mostly no-gos.

I have the Seer's Forest Emeralds sitting in my bags. >.>

As for the JC gems, I'll move them around when the time comes, I'd rather keep all the bonuses I can for now though.

Your other advice for gemming is a little confusing however. >.> You praise the spellpower on my legs after you've said int is the best choice, and you say to put spellpower gems in a cord of the white dawn(if I pick one up).

Quick edit: Also on the spec, is 2/2 healing prayers really worth losing that point in meditation?

[Lysimachus]

Do you know how mages ought to be gemming? Is it pure spellpower?

I've heard that haste is reasonable for arcane mages (dat's what I is). I would link you my armory, but I keep in my PvP gear 98 percent of the time :\

It's just the cookie-cutter PvE arcane spec.

[Lisbet]

@Moknim
My last run at hard mode Iron Council and XT I was averaging around 15% overhealing and running OOM almost every fight without the feral druid's innervate. The mana restore meta is at best 600 mana every 45 seconds and 21 int is almost as much as the 2% int I'd be getting from the other meta. I don't think that 25 spellpower is worth more than 66mp5. So I won't be switching out that meta.

@Lisbet
I have a second set of boots with Tuskarr's on them for movement intensive fights. ( The valor badge healing boots). --- UUUSEEEE THEEESE and enchant them with spirit. I'm not a big fan of tuskarrs ;p


Conquest tokens are coming in at a rate of less than 6 per week with the current number of hard modes we do, so the badge neck or any runed orb pieces are mostly no-gos. -- K :(

I have the Seer's Forest Emeralds sitting in my bags. >.> -- good *evil handrub*

As for the JC gems, I'll move them around when the time comes, I'd rather keep all the bonuses I can for now though. - k <3

Your other advice for gemming is a little confusing however. >.> You praise the spellpower on my legs after you've said int is the best choice, and you say to put spellpower gems in a cord of the white dawn(if I pick one up). ---- Because while Int is best, its not always perfect for every item. Sometime spell power gems are just the best choice for that particular item. The main point is - never gem for straight spirit. The Cord and the pants just happen to be better off with straight spell power :) The T8 pants are the same, and I gem mine with a 19 sp and a 8sp 8 spirit gem ;p

As for spec - Its really a personal preference for me, but then, the only time I have any kind of real mana difficulties, is in 10 mans or if we don't have a Resto druid. PoH is my favorite spell in the whole wide world - so the lowered cost is pure and ultimate love.

[Moknim]

On the meta - like I said, it depends on where your regen is/how bad you are hurting to which one you will take (and where you are in progression - and I don't know where you are).

I would also take Tuskarr over...well...pretty much any boot enchant.

On everything else...*lurks back to druid thread* Although, I would think a priority system like: Regen > Spell Power > Crit > Haste would be how I would gem/gear for hard modes.

[Gorvena]

Do you know how mages ought to be gemming? Is it pure spellpower?

I've heard that haste is reasonable for arcane mages (dat's what I is). I would link you my armory, but I keep in my PvP gear 98 percent of the time :\

It's just the cookie-cutter PvE arcane spec.
Spellpower for FBTTTW or FFB, haste for Arcane. Not sure about frost.

[Qabian]

Do you know how mages ought to be gemming? Is it pure spellpower?

I've heard that haste is reasonable for arcane mages (dat's what I is). I would link you my armory, but I keep in my PvP gear 98 percent of the time :\

It's just the cookie-cutter PvE arcane spec.

Spellpower for mages, always always always. I'm bad about that in my PvP gear and pushed haste, but my spellpower suffers for it. And I've occasionally gone with a red/yellow in a slot when I couldn't afford the outrageous prices for Scarlet Rubies before jumping into the next raid. But 99.999999% of the time, i.e. always, spellpower gets you the bang for the buck in every situation.

Unless! You're going into PvE and need to cap your hit to not miss bosses. Then hit is greater than spellpower until that cap is reached.

Or... you need to activate a meta. Thankfully, spirit does slightly more than nothing now for needed blues, but it's still pretty crap.

If yellow gets you a spellpower bonus and you don't need more hit, then you can use haste for arcane or frost and crit for fire specs.

Mages: Use Rawr. http://codeplex.com/Rawr

Even if you're not raiding or whatever, you can input whatever you do have available to you and mess around with it to get your highest possible numbers.

[Gorvena]

I never could figure RAWR out...

I was going by MaxDPS in recommending haste for Arcane though.

[Lisbet]

Rawr is fairly simple to use. Never use MaxDPS, its horrible.

Upload your character to Rawr. If your a healer - change the roll to suit what you do in raid (raid healing, tank healing, etc etc) if not. Go to the gear list on your right and look to see where your (highlighted gear) is, and what it recommends as an upgrade (see, anything listed above your item). If your item is listed two or three times, and the highlighted one (one equiped) is lowest, its because your gemming is wrong.

Chose the highest of the three or four options for your particular item for best gemming and enchanting, and then go DO it in game ;p



Like, for example - I plug Belicosa into rawr. I see you're specced frost. Your robes are gemmed with a 19 sp and a 16 haste gem. Rawr says - for frost, you want to gem said robe with double spell power.


OBVIOUSLY you don't raid full frost - as you've stated you usually run arcane - so don't take this particular sugestion.

To make sure rawr works properly, log out in your proper gear and spec so armory can update, then load your character up - and see what it says.

Just remember - rawr will only give you the optimal gemming and enchant set up for your CURRENT GEAR - and will only give you the best upgrades judged upon what you CURRENTLY have equipped. Try swapping a couple of peices of gear around and see what changes depending upon your items - and plan your upgrades accordingly from there.

[Gorvena]

Yeah, I use frost for dailies and PvP. At least I was in my raid gear when I logged out, not the PvP set.

[Lysimachus]

Eh. I play on a mac. Rawr doesn't support it :\

[Szordrin]

Bad Mok! Don't tell him to regem for spell power! Priests Do NOT regem for spell power unless you are a disc tank healing priest. Holy priests should nearly NEVER be tank healing - and even if they are, gemming for spell power is not the best option nine times out of ten.




Holy Paladins shouldnt be gemming for SP either.

Int is a much better. Any paladin gemming for SP as holy needs to be slapped. And slapped hard.

[Fynne]

Holy Paladins shouldnt be gemming for SP either.

Int is a much better. Any paladin gemming for SP as holy needs to be slapped. And slapped hard.

Ensidia disagrees. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/World-of-Ming/New-System-Better-Than-Old-Interview-with-Ensidia-PvE


How do you feel about the growing trend of most healer classes purely stacking intellect for raiding and nothing else?

Mek: im actually removing a lot of int for spell power now. cause you wanna lower until you are like dry on a 10 min fight basically. int is like only worth stacking if you need the mana. otherwise spell power is better. hps man! keeps ppl alive. no point in finishing a fight with 15k mana left. its the same for paladins. common misconception to mindlessly stack int. spell power keeps people alive, not int.

Mackzter: don't zerg stack int just because you saw it in a spreadsheet kids! That Protec guy from Method, 30k mana and like, 2k spell power, NICE brah. using the blue JC trinket, good choice.

Mek: Flaming Method gets us through the day.

To summarize: stack int if you're running out of mana. If you aren't (and you shouldn't be) then get more out of your heals instead of adding to the pool of heals that you aren't even able to use.

[Qabian]

Just remember - rawr will only give you the optimal gemming and enchant set up for your CURRENT GEAR - and will only give you the best upgrades judged upon what you CURRENTLY have equipped.

Yes. What I do with Rawr is keep multiple sets/specs/raid setups in it and review several of them when possible upgrades come up. I beat it up to show me best in slots overall (or use the ones that other people have figured out at EJ) for a couple specs as well.

Rawr's a lot more flexible than most of the websites out there. We used to use a spreadsheet, but Rawr's got the most input going into it for Mages at least these days. I don't know how many of the other models it has are being as extensively worked on.

Does http://www.magegraf.com work for Macs? Nowhere near as awesome as Rawr, but might give you more info as you can input relative stats and see the difference they make, and I know Vontre's still working on it, too.

[Orin]

To summarize: stack int if you're running out of mana. If you aren't (and you shouldn't be) then get more out of your heals instead of adding to the pool of heals that you aren't even able to use.

Come on now Fynne, WoW is far harder than that. Logical decisions have no place in gear choices. Everyone knows a dual masters degree in math and computer science is required to fully compute the perfect gear, talent, buff and consumable choice prior to every wave of trash.



I never could figure RAWR out...

If Rawr is too hard to use, and asking someone who uses it for help with clicking a few checkboxes is not possible, it might be time to take up some other hobby. Knitting is fun I hear.



In an attempt to not be seen as a complete jackass, here's a few links that were pretty easy to find in Rawr and on their website that should help you figure out how to use the tool.
http://rawr.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?title=Help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjRM5SUoOoQ

[Gorvena]

OK, so this version of RAWR is not what I had seen previously. Yeah, it's easy.

[Orin]

Meta: get the SP + Int. one until hard modes, then switch over to the Int + restore mana if/when you start having mana problems. Corollary: only keep enough non-red gems to grab whatever meta you are using.



It's a bit of a personal choice, but considering the massive regen numbers from the meta, it is really silly to use the spell power one. It's amazing how many people fail to really calculate the numbers. Here is something I wrote two months ago for the First Legion healers. Still have to beat people to get them to understand it sometimes.


At least for Resto Druids, these are the two choices for meta gems.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41333

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41401

I was doing some reading recently and some druids were reporting very high regen values with the Earthsiege meta, to the point that it is almost insane to use the skyflare due to the stat difference. I started using it late last week, and finally have some good data in Ulduar last night to look at.

For every fight, I never saw the calculated MP5 drop below 50. The highest was ~80 during some of our XT hard-mode attempts. Most were in the 50-60 mp5 range.

Hodir: 4:20, 5 procs : 3000 mana. = 57 mp5
Auriaya: 5:10, 7 procs: 4200 mana. = 67 mp5
Kologarn: 4:57, 5 procs, 3000 mana. = 50 mp5
XT: 3:38, 4 procs, 2400 mana. = 55mp5
Mimiron: 12:25, 14 procs, 8400 mana. = 56mp5

Now compare that to the Skyflare meta. 2% intellect, assuming roughly 1500 Int when raid buffed, that calculates out to 30 intellect.

25 Spell Power and ~30 Intellect vs. ~60 MP5 and 21 Intellect.



I dunno about you guys, but it does really seem silly to keep using the 25 spell power over 60 mp5. The difference is really high IMO, and I think at least for Resto Druids we might look to other places to focus on spell power increases, like trinkets, gem choices, dumping mp5 items in favor of spirit/sp items.



By using the regen meta, this frees up other options to maximize spell power far beyond the +25 you get from the Ember Skyflare gem. You could re-gem gear to ignore regen bonuses, or you could drop a regen trinket for a better throughput trinket.

[Kelven]

Hm. I think I'll be swapping out my meta when I get home tonight. Thanks, Orin.

[Moknim]

It's a bit of a personal choice, but considering the massive regen numbers from the meta, it is really silly to use the spell power one. It's amazing how many people fail to really calculate the numbers. Here is something I wrote two months ago for the First Legion healers. Still have to beat people to get them to understand it sometimes.

By using the regen meta, this frees up other options to maximize spell power far beyond the +25 you get from the Ember Skyflare gem. You could re-gem gear to ignore regen bonuses, or you could drop a regen trinket for a better throughput trinket.

You said it better than I did - but that is kinda what I was saying. Really (if you are purely min/max'ing) I would take the SP meta when content was trivial and the regen meta when content was challenging. If I was still raiding, I would have switched over to the regen meta for hard modes since we were past the trivial portions of Ulduar.

[Grayslin]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Folvelor

I'm mostly happy with my gem and enchant choices, but second opinions are always helpful.

For note, I also carry around my 7.5 pants for fights where I feel the 4-piece set bonus would be helpful. They are similarly gemmed/patched.

[Lisbet]

Since tist is lurking, I'll have him eyeball you ;p

[Grayslin]

Also, thinking about dropping the def chant on the chest, since I don't need it anymore. What you figure would be best there? Stats or something else?

[Akuje]

Also, thinking about dropping the def chant on the chest, since I don't need it anymore. What you figure would be best there? Stats or something else?

Stats, as it scales better then greater health.

[Evanthe]

Help!

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Evanthe

I (quite obviously, I might add) have no idea what I'm doing as far as itemization goes.

[Aphraelle]

Move over, Evanthe, neither do I. :D I'll take a look at RAWR and see if I can make something of it.

In the meanwhile, this is Aphraelle (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Aphraelle), who's dual-specced affliction and demonology - advice on her talents is also more than welcome. I thought I'd done a hemi-semi-demi-decent job on her, considering my asinine schedule more or less completely precludes raiding, until I got lawled at the other day. :( In the event of spec/item/gem conflict my "home base" with her (due both to familiarity with it, as it's been the spec I leveled her with, and to some extent this (http://wow-tng.org/showthread.php?t=16862)) is affliction.

[Boudika]

I (quite obviously, I might add) have no idea what I'm doing as far as itemization goes.


what she said...

so...anyone here WITHOUT a degree in quantum physics know what the hell anyone is talking about...or hey, anyone who just passed algebra? I mean seriously...if I took time to calculate all this rigmarole (or just looked it up) Whose character am I playing? I'm pretty lazy, other than the fact I'm running about 4 toons and various alts, so I really play more by...instinct? rather than some analytical ratio proportionate to heals/crit times mana regen principle. whaaa...whaaa? 'cuase that shit...honestly bores the living hell out of me.

Nothing gets a raid going more than hearing their healer say "Im outta mana and tricks...you guys are on your own" as I play my priest on the edges of dementia anyway, it kind of works out. Well for my storyline, but the raids/guilds...meh..maybe not so much. And honestly, if i get bored, your probably going to die.

to preface my... "style" of healing; I like to have fun. I can main tank heal despite the fact I'm holy, between my druid raiding buddy and I, we can keep almost any raid up including the tanks. (perhaps an off-heal or so on raid depending on the boss) My main issue is that I eventually run out of Marna on some fights if our DPs isn't up to snuff.

I also need to quit passing up on gear....im pretty ghettofabulous (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Scaramouche) aren't I? Should i re-gem for intell other then sp? keep in mind my offspec shadow (never played shadow before) I have zero gear so will be using pretty much the same gear give or take an item or two.

[Szordrin]

Ensidia disagrees. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/World-of-Ming/New-System-Better-Than-Old-Interview-with-Ensidia-PvE



To summarize: stack int if you're running out of mana. If you aren't (and you shouldn't be) then get more out of your heals instead of adding to the pool of heals that you aren't even able to use.


Mathematics disagree.
http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t55577-holy_paladin_guide_3_1_a/

Until you have a 30k mana pool and hit haste cap, I don't ever see the reason to gem for SP. I'm sitting at 2.5k sp buffed in raids without gemming for it. Doing so is just... silly. Or perhaps you're spamming ONLY FoL instead of Holy Light/Holy Shock/and the occasional FoL when low damage is being taken which is fine (but silly, imo).

Agree to disagree but stacking SP as a paladin is still retarded, imo(which means IN MY OPINION).


Intellect
Intellect has received a HUGE boost with WotLK mechanics, and is now the best stat for Holy Paladins by far. Let me list what 100 Intellect gives you:

* 126.5 Intellect, with BoK and Divine Intellect
* 1897 Mana at the start of the fight
* 39.5mp5 from Divine Plea, if its used on CD.
* 21.3mp5 from Replenishment, with 90% uptime.
* 4.7mp5 from Arcane Torrent, if you are a Blood Elf.
* 25.3 Spell Power
* 0.759% Spell Crit

This gives you a lot of mana, which lets you cast a lot more Holy Lights and be more liberal in using them. If you stack this stat you will be able to spam Holy Light during most fights.

The ONLY reason I would accept otherwise would be set bonus' that might make a difference. IE, stacking some SP for conquerors four set bonus to paladins.

But, aside from that as most people here do not have four set as paladins, even mentioning the SP buff to it is irrelevant.

[Maithanet]

Ensidia disagrees. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/World-of-Ming/New-System-Better-Than-Old-Interview-with-Ensidia-PvE

To summarize: stack int if you're running out of mana. If you aren't (and you shouldn't be) then get more out of your heals instead of adding to the pool of heals that you aren't even able to use.

Ensidia can disagree all they want, Mathematically Szordrin is right, HOWEVER there is one exception to this rule which is if you have 4PT8 because the damage mitigation from 4 second Sacred Shield through Spellpower a) offsets the loss of Intellect and b) makes it the strongest shield in the game and therefore crucial to serious hard mode attempts if you're healing as a Paladin.

As an aside, two people discussing their thoughts on what a Paladin should be doing does not the truth make.

[Lisbet]

Eva, what do you do in raids as holy - tank heal or raid heal? You do ten mans so obviously you're probably doing a little bit of both - but are you bringing a paladin to the raid, a tree?

Details woman ;p

If you're doing more raid healing then tank healing (and really tank healing is a disc thing, and only should be done if there's a second tank WHILE raid healing) then you need to regem EVERYTHING.

Helm - 21 int/Mana restore meta and 8 intel/8 spir gem
Shoulder - 8 int/8spirit
Robe - 8int/9sp and 8int/8spir
Bracers - 8int/9sp
Belt - 16 int
Pants - 8int/9sp and 16 int

Trinkets and rings look good.

Pick up the plasma foil off XT if you can (non hard mode 10 man dagger), but really you wanna shoot for the icecore staff off of Hodir HM 10 man.

You're not going to get a better offhand - and really, you want a staff so ;p


Your a tailor, so unless your haste is super super low, use Lightweave for extra spell power boost instead. There's no better enchant for us, really.

[Evanthe]

There's a pally, no tree. I've been mostly raid healing.

[Maithanet]

Move over, Evanthe, neither do I. :D I'll take a look at RAWR and see if I can make something of it.

In the meanwhile, this is Aphraelle (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Aphraelle), who's dual-specced affliction and demonology - advice on her talents is also more than welcome. I thought I'd done a hemi-semi-demi-decent job on her, considering my asinine schedule more or less completely precludes raiding, until I got lawled at the other day. :( In the event of spec/item/gem conflict my "home base" with her (due both to familiarity with it, as it's been the spec I leveled her with, and to some extent this (http://wow-tng.org/showthread.php?t=16862)) is affliction.

So I pulled up several Warlocks that I know Aph and here's a couple of pointers.

Destruction is pretty much the way to go. If you want to see those sweet sweet numbers. A couple of other things to bear in mind:

Unless you have an amazing socket bonus, dont go for it. Your chests socket bonus? Not amazing, get another SP gem in there. Right now you dont have a meta gem you're worrying about so don't worry too heavily about it. Just get some raw numbers out.

22stam to boots? 15 Spirit is where you want to be. If you start raiding more you'll probably end up investing in Tuskarr's Vit, which is 15 stam / run speed. Same for chest and SP to bracers when you get bracers that are worthwhile.

Your gear is essentially a collection of whatever you've gotten your hands on, and thats not bad per se, but things like mp5 trinkets are simply not good for you. Get into Heroics and look for a Forge Ember (Heroic Halls of Lightning) or get the Sundial from badges. Both are excellent trinkets where you'll see a significant DPS increase. Hell, even a "Battlemasters..." if you have the honour would be worthwhile.

Get Kirin Tor revered ASAP for your helm enchant.

Oh, and belt buckle on that belt. Now.

Hopefully these are some decent pointers.

[Lisbet]

I updated my post lady!

Go download rawr and load yourself up in it. Then go to tab three and change it to "Holy-Raid" to get a good idea of how to gem and what upgrades to look out for.

[Evanthe]

Hey thanks!

Question-- how low is "super low haste"?

[Lisbet]

Holy priests looking to do hardmodes should sit about 9-12% haste, depending on 10 or 25man stuff. I'm at 14% >.<

Anything lower then 8% is way to low ;p

Crit should run you about 20-25% holy crit. It'll flesh out more with more peices of t7. (I'm in 4 peice 7.5, the 25man equiv).

If you can get some quick VoA 25 man pugs run, try and pick up the 7.5 peices that drop there, and save your badges!

[Evanthe]

I have the worst luck with VoA. *shakes fist*

Thanks very much for the help. Time to spend a fortune re-gemming. :D

[Aphraelle]

Thanks for this, Aerdir!


Destruction is pretty much the way to go. If you want to see those sweet sweet numbers.

Which I do. OK, bye bye demon form. :D


Your chests socket bonus? Not amazing, get another SP gem in there. Right now you dont have a meta gem you're worrying about so don't worry too heavily about it. Just get some raw numbers out.

I'd actually wondered about that already. Will do.


22stam to boots? 15 Spirit is where you want to be. If you start raiding more you'll probably end up investing in Tuskarr's Vit, which is 15 stam / run speed. Same for chest and SP to bracers when you get bracers that are worthwhile.

To clarify: spirit to chest is your recommendation?


Your gear is essentially a collection of whatever you've gotten your hands on...

Sadly, this is the literal truth.


...things like mp5 trinkets are simply not good for you. Get into Heroics and look for a Forge Ember (Heroic Halls of Lightning) or get the Sundial from badges. Both are excellent trinkets where you'll see a significant DPS increase.

Will do.


Hell, even a "Battlemasters..." if you have the honour would be worthwhile.

You, um... you haven't seen me PvP, clearly. :(


Get Kirin Tor revered ASAP for your helm enchant.

Oh, and belt buckle on that belt. Now.

Yassuh!

I really appreciate the advice!

[Tsu]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Folvelor

I'm mostly happy with my gem and enchant choices, but second opinions are always helpful.

For note, I also carry around my 7.5 pants for fights where I feel the 4-piece set bonus would be helpful. They are similarly gemmed/patched.


Looks pretty decent tbh, I think your main problem is you have a lot of iLvl200 epics which don't offer as much def obviously, so you can't really drop that 22 def chant on chest right now. Once you can stay above 540 without that 22 def I'd definitely switch it for stats though. In particular you can replace bracers and boots with higher ilvl version for valor badges, that'd be a pretty solid upgrade in and of itself.


I also would recommend the 2% threat/10 parry glove enchant over 20 hit, and if you really do want that extra hit try and gear for it instead (badge neck is a good option).

[Grayslin]

I actually don't need the 22 def chant to chest. I swapped it last night for stats, and I'm still 4 points over cap.

The glove enchant actually sounds pretty good. I put the hit enchant on there before I got a weapon with hit on it. Without that enchant, I should still be around 7% hit (which is fine since I usually run with draenei) and 6% expertise (6 is the soft cap, right?).

[Gorvena]

Gorvena (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Gorvena)

This is the best I could do so far. I am looking forward to heroics and 10 Naxx (and beyond as my gear improves). Aside from the obvious L70 remnants, do you see any gaping holes?

Yes, I know there are better stam gems, but my jc can make the ones I am using (except for the meta, and I chose that one over the armor bonus based on the fact that it is active with three blues).

[Kaldore]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&cn=Gorvena&gn=Bloodfoot

You are running a pretty unconventional spec, which is fine if you enjoy it, but the spec that I really like focuses on high TPS with a 2 minute Shield Wall... Also your Armory page shows only 2 Glyphs - So I've added the Glyphs I would use to the build as well:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LAM00fZhZMItrx0didIzsGo:dcTzMm

Defense minimum for Tanking Heroics is 535 and you're at 507... Now there are three crafted items I would get right away that would seriously bump your Defense and HP by a whole bunch:

Titanium Earthguard Chain (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42652), Titanium Earthguard Ring (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42649), and Armor Plated Shotgun (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41168).

[Kelven]

Gorv: If your mage has a bunch of Valor emblems lying around, the epic tanking bracers ("Bracers of Dalaran's Parapets") available from the vendor are BoE - so you can buy em' and hand them off to Gorvena.

Other easy upgrades you might like:

Ring: Unsmashable Heavy Band off Heroic UK is a nice blue ring with defense rating and shield block.

Cloak: Tattered Castle Drape is a BoE blue that drops off trash in Heroic Utgarde Keep; you can pick it up there, or just hit the AH.

Belt: AN is a pain in the ass, but Heroic Anub'arak drops the epic Ancient Aligned Girdle.

I hope this helps you.

[Kaldore]

You should really bookmark these three guides from Tankspot. Lots of great info.

- Satrina's 3.0 Faq (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f200/41907-frequently-asked-questions.html) which goes over all of the various stat minimums and caps you need to be at for Tanking.

- Polar's Easy Pre-Naxx Tank Gear List (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/40966-polar-s-easy-pre-naxx-tank-gear-list.html) is your one-stop-shop for what gear you want to nab before heading to Naxx.

- Ciderhelm's 540 Defense Guide (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/41986-cider-s-easy-540-defense-gear-guide.html) is similar to Polar's gear list, but focuses on hitting the 540 Defense you need for Raid Boss Tanking.

[Gorvena]

Thanks guys. The spec is old and just improvised from 70 on, and the EJ tank page is gone. I'll take a look at the tankspot stuff.

[Heidenreich]

CHECK MY GEAR FOR ME PLZ!

[Szordrin]

You need more resil. ...wait, wrong area.

[Heidenreich]

You need more resil. ...wait, wrong area.

WTF IS RESIL!?! I R A PVE n00b!

PS: More free HONOR PLZKTHX! Don't know if Yak told you, but I got free honor for that the other day in front of Icecrown Citadel while afk. <3

[Heidenreich]

OK! Making one serious post and then I'm done trolling.....for now!

WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE RET PALADINS ASKING FOR GEAR ADVISE? OR DO YOU ALL JUST HAVE MY ARMORY AS YOUR HOME PAGE?!?

I get 3 to 6 Off Server people asking me questions a day, yet nothing from TNG! DO YOU ALL HATE ME!? DOES NO ONE RAID RET?!? :(

[Saphiara]

DOES NO ONE RAID RET?!? :(

I do, but I got mad gearing skillz, yo. Even if I have the worst freaking luck in having gear drop.

[Heidenreich]

I do, but I got mad gearing skillz, yo. Even if I have the worst freaking luck in having gear drop.

Female Blood Elf....you are meant to raid naked! I mean ummmm uhhhhh,,,Lis is gonna read that I'm so screwed!

[Kaldore]

Thanks guys. The spec is old and just improvised from 70 on, and the EJ tank page is gone. I'll take a look at the tankspot stuff.


I don't really share all of my trade secrets with just anybody, but I think I can entrust you with my training video. It's basically PX90 for Tanks.

Watch this three times before you zone into any instance for the first two months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnXC_75SHI

[Agnarr]

I don't really share all of my trade secrets with just anybody, but I think I can entrust you with my training video. It's basically PX90 for Tanks.

Watch this three times before you zone into any instance for the first two months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnXC_75SHI


Awesome.

[Szordrin]

WTF IS RESIL!?! I R A PVE n00b!

PS: More free HONOR PLZKTHX! Don't know if Yak told you, but I got free honor for that the other day in front of Icecrown Citadel while afk. <3

rofl. I didnt know that. But it was worth getting you. <3

[Kelven]

Fix my damn Shadow Priest. I keep lagging behind DPS on those few occasions when I get to go Shadow in raids; I usually fizzle around 3k dps in 10-man and 3.5k in 25-man.

Current gear and spec. (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Araun)

DPS gear available in my bags I don't wear because Rawr told me not to:
Iceshear Mantle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46344)
Robes of the Umbral Brute (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45272)
Living Flame (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45148)
Embrace of the Leviathan (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45119)
Unblinking Eye (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45236)

My usual spell order with the haste I have currently is:

Setup: VT, VE, Plague, Blast, Flay, Pain, Death, Blast, Flay.

Then into the main rotation:
VT, (variable - Death or Plague, usually), Blast, Flay, Flay, Blast, Flay, repeat.

So, what am I screwing up? I should swap out the +16 hit gem in the head because I'm over hit cap a bit, which is the only glaringly obvious problem.

Ignore the secondary talents and glyphs, any mistakes made with my Disc stuff are me intentionally screwing around. Shadow is what is frustrating me.

[Maithanet]

I was under the impression Shadow Priest DPS was low across the board?

[Kelven]

I was under the impression Shadow Priest DPS was low across the board?

I always assumed that was just the usual QQ.

I will happily accept "it's not you, it's your gimp class" as an answer, though. >.>

[Feorn]

It's just the usual QQ, if you gear and spec right and use the right rotation, you can do well. Don't expect to beat rogues/hunters/locks/mages who know what they're doing. You should be able to match any of the other hybrids under the right circumstances.

My info could be out of date, but Shadow word death really has no place in the priority queue. Unless you have 4piece t7 and the glyph, then below 35% it's a tiny increase. It's also a useful spell to use while moving.

Shadow priests do not have a rotation. It's a priority queue system after your initial setup.

Vampiric Touch -> Mind Blast -> Devouring Plague -> Mind Flay

Always keep Vampiric Touch on the target. It has a huge spellpower coefficient.

Always keep Mind Blast on cooldown. Even if it means a delay in re-applying DP. Even if it means clipping your mind flay after one tick.

Another neat trick is to re-apply shadow word pain when you have a buff like polarity shift from thaddius, as it'll keep ticking at that % bonus for the rest of its duration. If you can get a rogue to give you tricks of the trade when you apply SW:P it'll last until the DoT falls off as well.

[Kelven]

Shadow priests do not have a rotation. It's a priority queue system after your initial setup.

True. I've found that for most of the fight I fall into the pattern I posted; it changes if, say, Bloodlust happens or I suddenly get a bunch of Haste dropped on me (I imagine if I got a bunch more haste from my gear it would change). Or if DP comes up at a weird time or - you get the idea.

I only use SW: D because I'll be sitting there with 1s left on Mind Blast, so I'll just toss it out as an instant-cast.

Would using a tick of Mind Flay be smarter?

I suppose using the term "rotation" was misleading.

[Feorn]

With your haste, yes. Use one tick of mind flay and mash mind blast.

It's numbers stuff with the Glyph, Twisted Faith, Mind Melt and Misery talents that make mind flay more worth it.

[Lisbet]

Blarh, I dislike people being told to clip mindflay before the second tick - yet, ALWAYS keep VT up. DO NOT REFRESH IT, WAIT TILL ITS AT .5 SECONDS LEFT BEFORE YOU CAST. CLIPPING VT TICKS IS THE ABSOLUTELY WORST THING YOU CAN EVER DO. IF YOU HAVE TO WAIT TILL IT FALLS OFF BEFORE YOU REFRESH, DO THAT, BUT NEVER EVER EVER EVER CLIP VT TICKS.

Your "Priority" list for spriest should START like this -
Vt, MB, DP, VE, SWD, MB, SWP.

VT first, always. Then MB, then DP, then VE for a filler, then SWD for stack #4, then MB again because its off cooldown, then Shadow word pain at 5 stacks of shadow weaving.

THEN mindflay till vt is almost up and MB is off cooldown. Refresh DP, mindflay some more.

Use wild magic potions when you toss SWP up that first time and keep the SP coeficient on it all fight.


There's an addon, I'll find it, that'll help track that second tick of mindflay so you're not clipping early.


>.<


Okay, now. - you need to regem. Your over hit capped, lose 13 hit somewhere. Being a little under is better then being over. Replace the 16 hit gem in your hat with a 9sp/8haste gem. - DO THIS RIGHT NOW.

If you have the living flame trinket, use it and get rid of one of your crappy hit peices - probably the belt or the robe. As terrible as living flame is, use it, or go get yourself a dying curse.

I hate your belt. Its terrible. Upgrade it right now. Get yourself a sash of ancient power made if you don't have VALOR BADGES for the VALOR BADGE HIT BELT. Seriously. I'll make it for you and sell it to you at cost if you can't get a hold of runed orbes.

If you're doing 25man ulduar, pick up the hit wand off XT as well.

SO -- Replace your gem in your hat, hit gems are bad. Use your UB robes, your living flame and your spider instead of the badge trinket. You'll be 14 points under cap, but you'll be finding yourself replacing hit peices with other things all over the place once you get your t8 chest. Seriously. Then go get belt of doom made and pick up hit wand. Then shoot for t8 hit robes.

293 is hit cap. Don't go over it, a little bit under it is OK.

[Feorn]

With the shaman haste buff and 100ms+ latency he'll clip his second tick less than 30% of the time anyway. But yes, if he can time the second tick perfectly it's better to wait for it.

And to get a quicker start you can go VT->MB->DP->MF(it stacks shadow weaving twice) ->SW:P, then stick the VE in where you'd be clipping a mind flay if you need to use it.

And as far as I'm aware the SP modifier changes every time SW:P is refreshed, while the crit % and other % bonuses remain.

Quick edit: 11% - 289 Hit Rating is the shadow priest hit cap, not 293. So dropping the 16 will leave you ridiculously close anyway.

[Kelven]

Current gear and spec. (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Araun)

Updated with new gear set. I hated my belt too... I said no to the heroism-token belt* for some reason once a long time ago and never thought about it again. I noticed a bit of a DPS boost just from hitting the buttons in a different order, but when swapping between this set and my previous set, I didn't see much difference. I'll take it to a few raids and see what happens.

Thanks!

I've been trying to get a Dying Curse for a while now but it's hard to find the time to pug Naxx 25. Uld-25 isn't a problem for me.

*It's heroism, BTW, not valor. This had me flipping back and forth in the valor token vendor for a bit before it dawned on me. XD

[Aphraelle]

I'll take a look at RAWR and see if I can make something of it.

Well, I would do that. If it came in Mac. :mad: I guess I'll scout around and see if there's any equivalent, though I doubt it.

[Lisbet]

And as far as I'm aware the SP modifier changes every time SW:P is refreshed, while the crit % and other % bonuses remain.

Quick edit: 11% - 289 Hit Rating is the shadow priest hit cap, not 293. So dropping the 16 will leave you ridiculously close anyway.

Sorry ;x
Its been a little bit now since I've been shadow, and I'm draenei so my hit cap is 263 ;p Thats what I get for typing before I go to work ;p

[Feorn]

Sorry ;x
Its been a little bit now since I've been shadow, and I'm draenei so my hit cap is 263 ;p Thats what I get for typing before I go to work ;p

I actually kinda figured that's why you were 4 points off, but after a little more research I'm really not certain on the first of the quoted sentences. I can't find much of information about SW:P spellpower bonus refreshing or not. To be safe I'd do what you suggested anyway though. It can't hurt and it'll maximise your trinket uptime if you have a cooldown trinket.

[Lisbet]

I actually kinda figured that's why you were 4 points off, but after a little more research I'm really not certain on the first of the quoted sentences. I can't find much of information about SW:P spellpower bonus refreshing or not. To be safe I'd do what you suggested anyway though. It can't hurt and it'll maximise your trinket uptime if you have a cooldown trinket.

No you'r right on the crit% sticking and not the spell power increase - which is what I ment, but again, typing before going to work ;p


Total crit buffs (moonkin, scorch, tow, crit component of wild magic, loatheb spores for example), and any % bonus damage buff (sparks, thaddius) to you persist through Mindflay refreshing of SWP. Spellpower is RECALCULATED each time you refresh it and Earth And Moon/CotE/ebon plague apply to the individual ticks (i believe, or they may be recalculated with each refresh).


Basically, wild magic potions increases the crit % on your swp, causing the ticks to over all be higher then the would be throughout the entire fight, so long as its on one target and doesn't fall off.

[Moknim]

Well, I would do that. If it came in Mac. :mad: I guess I'll scout around and see if there's any equivalent, though I doubt it.

There is a way to run it in OSX - outlined on the Rawr page on http://druid.wikispaces.com/ It was originally a druid-only maximizer, so a lot of the older info is stored on the Druid wiki. I have never done it (I use Windows in parallels), so I don't know if all the functionality is there - worth a shot, since Rawr is quite the awesome.

[Akuje]

Are there any raiding Moonkins? My gear for Gadu isn't good yet, working on hit and gear in general. My biggest question is spec.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Gadu

Ive had some people give me slack for taking starfall, but its a nice DPS boost, and its a "set and forget" rotation item, I use it during lust, or during the ecplise cool down while Im refreshing dots etc.

Also, with my farie fire, it increases my spell hit, but Sunder overwrites it, anything I can do about that?


EDIT::: It hasnt updated for 80 yet, or my current spec, so I guess never mind =( until it updates.

[Moknim]

Akuje - check Moknim's alternate spec. It is pretty standard Moonkin spec although for hard modes you would want to fill out moonglow instead of I.MF.

Starfall is fine for all the reasons you gave, just don't use it on Loatheb.

Sunder doesn't overwrite FF - Sunder is a major armor debuff, FF a minor so they stack.

[Grayslin]

Rawr, necromancy! I'm fairly confident in a lot of my knowledge of DK tanking at this point, but it never hurts to have more advice to pull from.

http://wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Twisting%20Nether&name=Folvelor

A couple questions related to my gearing.

1 - At the moment, I tend to balance my gemming between stam and avoidance with the heavier end of the scale being stam. Basically I just use stick stam in it if it's blue, and avoidance/stam if it's red or yellow. Would I be better off ignoring avoidance gems altogether and just going straight-up stam across the board aside from what I need for meta reqs (like we do with STR for DPS)?

2 - Hit/Expertise: Ideally, what should I shoot for here? Should I sacrifice some defensive capability via gems/enchants/trinkets to stay at or near cap, or should I just rely on what comes natively with my gear? Or should I just play it by ear in relation to my threat gen?

[drippygoo]

So over the weekend I was able to breakout my new dk tank.
First time tanking in a real raid with him.

First I was the whelp tank in Ony25. Normally one of our other tanks(warrior) gets them. his only advice was "Be ready to run, gl, lols". As soon as he said this i pictured the troll guy in the FFFFFFUUUUUUUU comics lulzing at me.
Anyway, I know it can be hard for warrior tanks to be on whelps due to aoe threat output.
But I put d&d down to bring them my way, cast howling blast on the 5th out to gather them, waited a second, ran up hit blood boil to further gather more and brought them back for aoes, after applying a new d&d when I got there.
When they came out again, I got my side, rinse & repeat.
I actually had to tank one of the adds for abit due to a tank death.

Anyway I was nervous, but it was super easy.


Then we went to ToC25. I was the third tank on Gormock. After a few tries the raid had me switch to my warlock and another tank stepped in and it was cake.
Now, after you look at my gear, you might say, lol thats why, but I am not sure.

2 of my co-workers are in my guild, ones a disc priest and the other is the other tank that stepped in for me in ToC25.
The disc-priest was healing me up to 3 stacks, I asked if and he said I was "Ok" to heal. i asked for specifics, he said "ok".
Both are very well geared, the pally is pally spec'd(super dodge/parry, block, armor). Not +stam stacking, sorry thats not pally'n, thats playing warrior.

Also the rest of the evening we were struggling abit on fights due to lack/bad heals that we had to PuG out.

My guild and co-workers told me I did fine. So do think I was lucky or am I doing something right? I have spent lots of time researching "how to dk tank" and running alot of heroics to figure things out.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Pilloopants
There are a few ilvl200 items still, need more time in a day to farm badges.

*side note, I know I can be a jerk on here sometimes, but any kinda of input is cool.

[Sejarki]

1 - At the moment, I tend to balance my gemming between stam and avoidance with the heavier end of the scale being stam. Basically I just use stick stam in it if it's blue, and avoidance/stam if it's red or yellow. Would I be better off ignoring avoidance gems altogether and just going straight-up stam across the board aside from what I need for meta reqs (like we do with STR for DPS)?

Yeah, just stack stamina. There's a lot of information out there as to why, but the overall consensus is stacking stamina is what you should be doing in general. There's downsides to stacking avoidance (or even doing "balanced" gemming), there really aren't any downsides to stacking stamina. So try it out, see how it feels, you'll probably like it.




2 - Hit/Expertise: Ideally, what should I shoot for here? Should I sacrifice some defensive capability via gems/enchants/trinkets to stay at or near cap, or should I just rely on what comes natively with my gear? Or should I just play it by ear in relation to my threat gen?

Play it by ear. They're mostly threat stats, so as long as you're able to produce enough threat for your given group you're golden.

[Broxigan]

The first thing I noticed Drippy is that you are using two FAST one handed weapons. If anything, you should be using slow ones, from all the things I have heard.

[drippygoo]

I agree Broxigan, but thats all I have been able to find with tank stats, that are worth anything.

There is a sword from hToC and hPoS that I havent got yet, I am not sure of the speeds, I think they might be 1.7?

The idea of using a 2hander makes me sad, and I wont do it.

I do get to tank Ony10 and ToC10 tonight, so I'll post again

[Sejarki]

I agree Broxigan, but thats all I have been able to find with tank stats, that are worth anything.

Don't be afraid to use DPS one-handers, or if you really insist a slow (DPS) weapon in your main-hand and fast (Tank) weapon in your off-hand. But DKs are designed with the idea of using DPS weapons to tank, so don't be afraid to try it out.

[Maithanet]

I agree Broxigan, but thats all I have been able to find with tank stats, that are worth anything.

There is a sword from hToC and hPoS that I havent got yet, I am not sure of the speeds, I think they might be 1.7?

The idea of using a 2hander makes me sad, and I wont do it.

I do get to tank Ony10 and ToC10 tonight, so I'll post again

I'm assuming this is a DK? Once you reach a certain gear level you'll have enough defense without the enchants.

Alternatively, do what I did, pick up two Nighttimes from Bronjahm on Heroic and give them the 1h def Rune. They're both 2.6 and easily obtainable. Same for the hammers from H HoR.

[Broxigan]

I'm assuming this is a DK? Once you reach a certain gear level you'll have enough defense without the enchants.

Alternatively, do what I did, pick up two Nighttimes from Bronjahm on Heroic and give them the 1h def Rune. They're both 2.6 and easily obtainable. Same for the hammers from H HoR.

THIS is what I am trying to do on my DK. Nightime is smexy.

Though I do have the Black Icicle or whatever.

[Broxigan]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&cn=Goremak

Considering last Wednesday, he was naked....

Ignore the leather bracers and belt. I plan on getting those replaced soon.

ArPen should be somewhere around 50% if I managed to get the Needle Encusted Scorpion, correct?

Also...waiting on those axes from H PoS to drop.

Should I go for T9 chest or pants next?

Edit:

I am noticing I would be losing A LOAD of hit if I drop either the pants or the chest for T9...so...I gotta figure out what items to go for to make up for the over 100 hit drop I will receive...

[Moknim]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&cn=Goremak

Considering last Wednesday, he was naked....

Ignore the leather bracers and belt. I plan on getting those replaced soon.

ArPen should be somewhere around 50% if I managed to get the Needle Encusted Scorpion, correct?

Also...waiting on those axes from H PoS to drop.

Should I go for T9 chest or pants next?

Edit:

I am noticing I would be losing A LOAD of hit if I drop either the pants or the chest for T9...so...I gotta figure out what items to go for to make up for the over 100 hit drop I will receive...

Well, you are over hit cap by a lot (you only need 5%) so losing the hit would be good. You need a crapload of expertise though (so does my warrior).

The scorpion is an ArP proc, so it won't be up all the time but that doesn't really matter since you can't realistically passively cap ArP as fury (arms is a different story).

New axes and you should be sitting pretty.

[Broxigan]

Well, you are over hit cap by a lot (you only need 5%) so losing the hit would be good. You need a crapload of expertise though (so does my warrior).

The scorpion is an ArP proc, so it won't be up all the time but that doesn't really matter since you can't realistically passively cap ArP as fury (arms is a different story).

New axes and you should be sitting pretty.

5%? I thought it was 8% hit...

[Moknim]

5%? I thought it was 8% hit...

you have 3% from talents

[Lailinarel]

you have 3% from talents

Now, I could be wrong, and my fury theory is way out of date, but isn't extra hit a good thing as 8% is only your soft (skill) hit cap, and your ability to generate mechanic (rage) is based on with damage which suffers the 15% DW penalty?

Note of course that this is not at the cost of other stats. Soft hit cap then any extra you get certainly can't hurt.