Anyone here play EVE?

[Kyrion]

If so what race do you play and what kind of ship do you fly?

[Emmons]

I've attempted to play EVE on three occasions and have two friends who get into EVEfests every 6-8 months, but personally have not been compelled to ever play past the 14-day trial. I feel like all I'm doing is manipulating a system rather than playing a game where you can succeed through either better reflexes or better tactics.

But if you're the kind of person who likes day-trading, I can see where some aspects may be appealing.

[Kyrion]

I really think it's cool because you can advance without spending insane amounts of time on it. Learning skills takes hours or even days at a time to advance up. The PvP is really interesting too. I think once you get passed the learning curve it's a lot of fun.

[Emmons]

I do like that skills aren't reliant on grinding, but I feel that being restricted to time isn't right either. I understand that MMOs are a business model that needs players to continue returning time and time again, but I feel that "my character is older than your character" is a bad system for determining which one is more "advanced". (I say advanced instead of BETTER because I know EVE characters can be experts in many things from combat to trade)

[Szordrin]

I've played EVE off and on for about 5 or 6 times. Each time, I quit before my account was billed the second time through.

Yes, you dont need to spend much time in the game to level skills, but you DO need tons and tons of ISK if you ever want to get anywhere since the market is so huge now. So, yeah, I -can- fly a battlecruiser on my account but I -dont- have 150 million isk to spend on the ship and all of its guns, including insurance.

Dunno. The game looks like it would be awesome if I liked mining for a long time or if I started in the beginning.

[Cristok]

I am in the same boat as you guys. I tried it twice, and for a breif time thought it was THE GAME. I have a buddy that swears by it and can't understand why I would WoW rather Eve-it.

Some of the aspects of the game are just way too awesome, like building your own empires and starbases and corps. The PvP (once you get used to it, which I never did) is supposed to be pretty neat as folks actually lose money. I mean pirates ransom RANSOM folks to let them go by. Its like a custom to bring enough isk while yer mining to be able to pay off bandits. So how cool is that?

All in all its about genre to me. I just can't -get into- being a guy in a ship.

[Maithanet]

If you really enjoy being a master manipulator and playing the economy, EvE is fantastic.

If you're a deep space adventurer with the lazers and the pewpew, there may not be a lot for you.

I agree with Cristok though, I cant get into being solo dude on ship, which is why STO (Star Trek Online) will also be shit.

[Raziel]

Intaki Special Ops
I fly in an Amarr Battlecruiser, but have an Apocolypse if I need it.

[Szordrin]

I have a feeling I might have gotten ganked by you at one point, Raz.

[Karkarov]

I dont know it sounds cool but I have never tried it. Everyone always says it is a game you play without actually playing which defeats the entire point from a design perspective. Never seen anyone say anything to make me think different either. It does sound like a game you needed to be in on day one to have any kind of chance of ever having a real impact or "success", this is also not necessarily a good thing either.

[Szordrin]

Well, that's not entirely true. I suppose I neglected to mention that if you are a savvy businessman/woman you can easily take ahold of the markets they have there and get isk fast. Since the auction houses arent linked,... you buy things that are farther away from the center of the galaxy for cheap, then go to the center and sell super high (going price). I did that once or twice and made about 20 mil in a day.

[Raziel]

doubtful. My name is Raziel Hexagra.

I mostly have great conversation with [FNA] while getting Amarr Cruiser V.
ONLY A WEEK MORE TO GO!

I really want to equip this Apocolypse. Really.

As to EVE, it's pretty much a fancy GUI over Microsoft Excell. It's an MMO Spreadsheet, but I don't mind. The game is fucking beautiful if you're an Astrophobe and you whack-off to Danny Boyle's Sunshine. The music is amazing. In fact, the soundtrack was the single reason I kept paying at one time.

I love to just go blasting off into space, blow up some Rats with my 8 Turrets of Justice (Well, 7 and a Salvager for my Battlecruiser Qlippoth, but the Goetia-II Destroyer has eight). I'm not big on Drone Tanking, because I like to fight and blast away, so I like 5+ Turret Hardpoints.

[Irontoe]

EVE is a wonderful game, for pretty much the reasons Raziel said. Get into either Alliance-level warfare and politics or trading/hauling (the economy) -- those are the deepest parts of the game.

[Kyrion]

Right now I'm rolling a Caldari caracal with 5 launcher hard points. I love just listening to my missiles eject from my ship homing onto targets effortlessly. My name on there is Zerxz. Caldari all the way.

[Kyrion]

And the soundtrack for EVE is indeed awesome, I actually play it when I PVP in WoW.

[Szordrin]

If I start playing again, my main is Vilren Jolnin.

I dont remember what race but I know I wanted to focus on being a sniper.

But... Eh. I just couldnt stay in the game for too long due to the feeling of being ridiculously alone in space.

[Raziel]

But... Eh. I just couldnt stay in the game for too long due to the feeling of being ridiculously alone in space.

Isn't that realism at it's finest though?

[Karkarov]

I have to concur with enheilras. It is sort of the mysticism of space to be out alone in the deep blackness making your way in an unknown world full of things no one has ever seen. Of course it also brings to mind the movie collateral where Tom Cruise tells Jamie Fox a story about a guy who dies of a heart attack on a subway train and it takes them 5 days to find the body even though people sit beside the guy.

[Grayslin]

I do off and on. When I do, my character is Caldari and flies just about every sub-capital ship you can except for minmatar battleships and some of the newer t2 ship types like the t2 battleships and heavy 'dictors. (I think it's cuz I have ADD >.<) I have a preference for amarr ships, at least in pvp. You'll most often find me in a geddon or a zealot. Next time I re-activate my account, I'll look you guys up. :)

Character name is Davion Vrynn

PEW PEW

[Raziel]

I have to concur with enheilras. It is sort of the mysticism of space to be out alone in the deep blackness making your way in an unknown world full of things no one has ever seen. Of course it also brings to mind the movie collateral where Tom Cruise tells Jamie Fox a story about a guy who dies of a heart attack on a subway train and it takes them 5 days to find the body even though people sit beside the guy.

Which was OBVIOUS FORESHADOWING

Anyway, I only have 9 months of training time and about five million skill points. I have to queue my skills very strategically for my upcoming deployment. I need to get some 30-45 day long skills set-up to train by then.

I am gonna go stream "Nouvelle Rouvenour Hero" from the EVE site now.

[Kyrion]

The music sets the mood of being alone in space very well.

[Karkarov]

Whats your point Enheilras? I liked the movie regardless. Maybe I might poke around with eve coming up next week finally. Cant hurt to try a free trial and all.

[Raziel]

You Caldari fucks better get that Titan off our planet.

[Kyrion]

Caldari Titan? Where....? I have to see this.

[Pyrisath]

Caldari Missle-boat cruiser ftw

I fly in, lock lock lock lock, pew pew pew pew. Mission done!

Personally, I am not going to pay for more than half a year, in total. After that, my plan is to earn 75 mill a month to buy time codes to play on. In between that, I will train up the long 15-day training skills, like I am right now.

It is such a wonderful game, requiring so little player commitment to have a powerful character. Gear is a whole new level in there.

I lurvs it.

[Kyrion]

Ohhhh Pyr, what's your character name?

[Raziel]

Caldari Titan? Where....? I have to see this.

Luminaire (Caldari Prime).

You can fly right up to it.

It appears a few updates ago, pre-Quantum Rise.
It's invincible.

[Raziel]

I'd join a corp if I didn't love the Federal Naval Academy [FNA] so much.

[Szordrin]

Raziel. Apparently Illisade put a huge bounty on your head.

[Pyrisath]

Ohhhh Pyr, what's your character name?

Lilyain

Account is inactive right now, I am waiting till school is out before I play again. I picked female cause I hated the way male Caldari Achuras looked... Right. I'll try and remember to pick up your character's name when I start playing again then, eh?

[Dazlith]

I've been playing EVE on and off for the past couple of years. I am a Gallante named Cykes, Apart of the CVA alliance.

As far as how I like the game, I do find it a bit boring at times however I have found that if you start the game off slow, building up your skills for "Ratting" combat until you get to a point where you could make enough ISK doing that to support buying your skill books and ship mods for whatever direction that you wish to go from there

psst also... missions are your friends

I've enjoyed the game primarily because there are so many different aspects of the game that you can do and do well. There's great combat potential both PVE (ratting) and PVP. not to mention that even combat is sub-sectioned down to combat "rolls" like tanking, support, DPS 'n all that. What I also like is that you can get into the economy of the game and pretty much have your character make a living off of buying, selling, and making ship parts and mods.

Also, a bit of information you may not know… ISK in game stands for Inter-Steller Credits… but it is also the abbreviation for Icelandic Kroner s; the currency of where the game was made

[Karkarov]

I messed around a bit today. I like the FNA too raz they keep giving me missions to shoot people, shooting people is fun.

[Raziel]

I meant the Corporation: Federal Naval Academy, that all Gallente/Intaki/Jin-Mei in the Military Background start as.

It's possibly the greatest Non-Player Corp in the damned game.

Just moved homeport to Oursalert III, NavFedTestFac

[Karkarov]

Thats who I meant too goofy.

[Raziel]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/d5/LearningCurve.jpg

BE PRE-WARNED THOSE WHO START PLAYING THE TRIAL

[Karkarov]

Dont worry einhelras I wont open any yellow containers even if a friendly player tells me they are safe ;p.

[Raziel]

I'mma rape your Velator Boy

Gonna make you squeal

[Grayslin]

You Caldari fucks better get that Titan off our planet.
That's our fucking planet. You had a chance to give it back all nice and peaceful-like.

[Kyrion]

I made an EVE Social group if anyone is interested.

[Grayslin]

I am gonna go stream "Nouvelle Rouvenour Hero" from the EVE site now.
Oh, almost forgot.

This is the best track in the game. Screw "Below the Asteroids"

[Karkarov]

Enheilras I am sorry to inform you but we are in the same faction unless you switched up. Besides I dont use a Velator anymore, got rid of that scrap heap fast. (though it is sitting in the ol hangar just in case)

[Grayslin]

Meh, just trash it. If you lose your ship and dock in a station that doesn't have any of your ships in it, you will get a new one for free.

[Karkarov]

Velator isnt my fall back either, whats wrong with letting your first ship collect some dust? Dont you guys understand sentimental value ;p? This is why the Calderi are weaker than the Federation.

*nod*

[Grayslin]

I used to keep every ship I ever owned... until I got tired of moving them all whenever I changed my base of operations - which happens quite a bit in a player corp.

Though I do hold on to my oldest (surviving) ship. A destroyer that I never fly, but she follows me everywhere I go.

[Raziel]

You don't use it as a Salvager?

Most people use Destroyers as salvagers. Salvager I's in High Power, and us Cargo Expanders and After Burners in the others.

[Grayslin]

I didn't say it was the only destroyer I had...

I have an amarr destroyer to salvage with, works better than a cormorant; it has more low slots.

[Raziel]

Yeah, I love me a Coercer.

[Grayslin]

Though to be honest, I don't salvage much anymore. I did missions for money until my eyes bled. Now I just try to fund my endeavors with pvp loot and ratting.

That or mooch out of the corporate wallet, feel guilty and then do missions or sell something to replace it.

[Raziel]

I play EvE to waste time, really. The game calms me. It's pretty much stress-free in Security areas greater than .4. Soloing Level 2 & 3 missions in a Battlecruiser (Harbinger) or battleship (Apocolypse) isn't a "difficult" thing. So I take my time with a lot of it, and thus have no reason not to salvage. I'm not exactly in a hurry with skills that take weeks and a month to finish.

[Grayslin]

Well, if I do a mission, I DO salvage it. I just don't do the missions much anymore.

I sort of play the game for the opposite reason, I guess. I get the most enjoyment in EVE out of pvp, and mainly because it's the only game pvp I've ever experienced that actually provokes an adrenaline rush - probably because of the significant risk vs reward pvp actually poses there.

I just found the 'relaxing' part boring after experiencing that part of the game extensively for 2 years or so.

[Raziel]

Well, I have WarHammer and Steam for action.

And EVE and SimCity for relaxation

[Szordrin]

Does this mean you are playing DoW2 as well, Raz or just Left4dead?

ALso, I've only seen one side of the EVE PVP and thats getting my ass handed to me. But I understand the adrenaline rush cause I got that with UO ALOT. Chance of having all my shit looted? Yeah, big risk.

[Raziel]

I play L4D, DOW2, SoulStorm, TF2, DoD mostly.

But I have UT3 and a host of other games I don't play as well.

[Grayslin]

I've been playing EVE on and off for the past couple of years. I am a Gallante named Cykes, Apart of the CVA alliance.
Woah, I missed this the first time around.

CVA are awesome. They were the first RP alliance to take and hold space as far as I know, and they ain't too bad at it.

[Pyrisath]

Ibis for the win. Shit was so weak to use. I got my ass handed to me on level 1's.


Someone should create a group just for TNers to be in. That would be fun, imo.

[Aquizit]

I'm not opposed to giving EVE another shot, it's just that... it's lonely, I mean it's supposed to be but I also mean like.. hardly any friends to talk to.

[Raziel]

You are always in a corp. Talk to those guys. [FNA] is a riot; especially Gaius Sejanus.

[Karkarov]

I will admit I havent like played a ton but when I am on the Corp Chat for the Federal Naval Academy is fairly lively.

Err edit for a typo

[Grayslin]

Someone should create a group just for TNers to be in. That would be fun, imo.
I'm happy with the corp/alliance I'm in, but this is an awesome idea. I'd set you guys to blue \o/

[Aquizit]

The only thing that's frustrating about EVE is based off of something I thought about when I read Sylennis' post right there.

Most arguments would be.. "Well just make an alt for the other Corp!"
Ah, but you can't do that in EVE. Only one of your characters can train a skill at a time.
It's a feature I don't like, but it keeps the population of SUPERPEOPLE to a minimum.

[Xiphus]

I have a friend who played EVE for some time before cancelling subscription due to his money levels running low. He told me that the game is ENTIRELY PLAYER-RUN but is hideously hard on beginners. Is that true?

And then there's some bits about the game combat system being a little like a strategy game's, and Dreadnaught-classes taking months to construct.

[Izlude Fellblade]

I have a friend who played EVE for some time before cancelling subscription due to his money levels running low. He told me that the game is ENTIRELY PLAYER-RUN but is hideously hard on beginners. Is that true?

And then there's some bits about the game combat system being a little like a strategy game's, and Dreadnaught-classes taking months to construct.

Yes, players own and run their own stations that other players ships can dock at. These can only be seen in low security space however, they wont allow player owned ships of this size in high security space.

Unfortunately this makes them prime targets for traveling bands of players to take down and salvage. So if you're hoping to have a ship of this magnitude, make sure you have a ridiculously large size corporation with people that can run the station around the clock and defend it should such a situation arise.

[Grayslin]

I have a friend who played EVE for some time before cancelling subscription due to his money levels running low. He told me that the game is ENTIRELY PLAYER-RUN but is hideously hard on beginners. Is that true?
It's both true and not true. A large percentage of the game is player driven, and the economy is ENTIRELY player run.

New players will be overwhelmed with stuff to learn, but the game isn't necessarily *hard* on them. You just have to go in knowing that there's a lot to learn and that EVE is a much more cutthroat game than most MMO's. Scamming is not against the EULA and you can be ganked anywhere if someone is willing to lose their ship to do it. There is a misconception among many new players that high security space is safe; it isn't. It's only safer.

A few important tips for a new player.
1) DO THE TUTORIALS. All of them. Yes, they are boring and quite long, but you need the leg up. I'm happy to help new players, but few things bug me more than having to take time out of my game to tell them something they could have learned in the tutorial. Trust me when I say this: If you do not have the patience to finish the tutorial, I can guarantee you don't have the patience for EVE in general. There is a lot of waiting/downtime in this game.

2) Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose. This is EVE's golden rule. You'll hear this a lot, and it's true. You are never 100% safe. If losing the ship will screw you over, don't fly it.

3) If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. True in life, true in EVE. People are out to get your money and plenty of people have no qualms about betraying your trust to get it.

4) Train your learning skills, but don't let it get in the way of your having fun either. Learning skills should be trained to give you a leg up on learning other skills faster. It is time consuming, however, and grinding them out right from the start can be boring for a new player as you won't be able to do many other things if you aren't training those skills too. Train fun stuff too, but make sure you get your learning skills in by around the time you're ready to leave a cruiser.

5) Don't be afraid to swallow your pride if it will save you money. If you happen to venture into lowsec and get locked down by a pirate, he will sometimes offer you a ransom to not blow up your ship. If the ransom price is reasonable, don't be afraid to swallow your pride and pay it. Most pirates will honor these ransoms and it will save you money in the long run.

[Xiphus]

EVE sounds like real life. Maybe I try it someday once I sort out my other things.

[Raziel]

It literally has no "rules" either.

Except don't kill CONCORD.

[Pyrisath]

Except don't kill CONCORD.

If you can even manage that. But if you can, why stop? Take over as the security force. Hehe. Just a theory.

[Grayslin]

If you can even manage that. But if you can, why stop? Take over as the security force. Hehe. Just a theory.
Because a GM will come and smack you down. It's actually against the rules. It's not supposed to be possible to tank and/or kill CONCORD, but people have found ways to do it before and it's considered cheating.

[Grayslin]

This kind of sums up what makes EVE great (Note, POS fuel comes from ice mining):

http://www.omgrawr.net/quote/3065


<Xealot> a corp mate said he would go out mining fuel for our POS the other day, then i watched the killtracker and he had taken out a BS and smartbombed 5 ice miners and taken their loot with an alt

[Karkarov]

So he got fuel for your POS huh? Did you really need to fuel for it man? Shouldnt you just upgrade into something else?

[Raziel]

well, it's a trade item for industry and manufacturing.

Not for actual.. uhh.. fuel

[Grayslin]

POS = Player Owned Starbase

Without the fuel though... the force fields and all the satellite structures shut off, and it become the other kind of POS. XD

Gotta fill 'em up once a week on average, or they become sitting ducks.


(And to clarify, this quote doesn't come from anyone I know, it's from a site that collects submitted funny quotes. Sort of like a bash.org but for EVE quotes.)

[Karkarov]

Either way I have to wish you good luck with your POS. Personally I tend to get rid of them but maybe I am odd????

PS: Atleast Sylennis gets it.

[Dazlith]

In my corp. there are a small handful of us that manage POSs If memory serves me correctly, we have 20+ all of which run on an every other day/every 4 day cycle of which they either need to have materials dropped off/picked up or fueled.

[Grayslin]

Funny POS story:

I remember once, during an empire war, we got info on a lowsec POS operated by the war target alliance, but through an alt corp not actually in the alliance to avoid it getting hit as part of a war. (Which is a lame thing to do, btw)

So rather than wardec the alt corp, we decided just to hit it the next day since it was in lowsec and let their first warning be when the thing went into reinforced mode.

When we got there, the thing was totally dry on fuel and all the shields and modules were off. Funniest part? The control tower was named RSP Diligence.

[Karkarov]

Hahahaha nice, like I said.... POS.

[Raziel]

Let me just say, by the way, we have an EVE SOcial group up for more in depth talking about the game.