The OOC Drama Forums are now off (oh and the other games too..)

[Villayna]

Complaints can go here.

Consider this an experiment to see what routing to the blogs and social groups does.


edit: The other games forums are included in this just because they weren't active and they are prime candidates for social group discussions.

[Akuje]

Oh, I thought I had my permissions turned off.

I'm not special.


And, I feel this is a good move. No complaint from me Mort.

[Tiraline]

For what it's worth, I apologize for my contributions to this being deemed necessary.

*accepts responsibility for her sometimes bad behavior*

[Cabriel]

I'll wait to see how modding changes in the forums and blogs/groups that are left open.

[Xaraphyne]

For what it's worth, I apologize for my contributions to this being deemed necessary.

*accepts responsibility for her sometimes bad behavior*

This. :(

Though I don't know at this point what good admitting these things will really do.

[Amoola]

Now if I had only seen this before I tried posting. Was thinking it was a badly timmed april fools prank, and was starting to get pissed.

*shrugs*

[Lysimachus]

erm... Huh?

WELL! I suppose it can't be all that bad, maybe people will use the RP section more often!

<WANTS MORE FORUM RP NAO

[Villayna]

maybe people will use the RP section more often!

<WANTS MORE FORUM RP NAO

That is actually the underlying goal here.

[Gorvena]

Hm...so, no social interaction allowed on a social interaction medium. Hm.

[Xaraphyne]

Hm...so, no social interaction allowed on a social interaction medium. Hm.

It's a RP medium, actually.

[Cabriel]

It's a RP medium, actually.

Tell that to the large percentage of people who don't, yanno, RP here.

[Sabeinne]

Well. Trolls suck.

[Cabriel]

Well. Trolls suck.

Agreed. We'll see what happens.

[Villayna]

Hm...so, no social interaction allowed on a social interaction medium. Hm.


*points one finger at social groups*

*points all remaining fingers at RP section*


And if you really are going to miss those sections, what is it about those sections will you miss?

Checking out what interests other people, or trying to find juicy posts to make sarcastic remarks about?

[Yatokth]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOW I HAVE TO CLICK ON THUMBNAIL SOCIAL GROUPS TO RILE UP STUPID PEOPLE. :(

WHY DO YOU MAKE ME DO MORE WORK

[Kirick]

Tell that to the large percentage of people who don't, yanno, RP here.

They should probably start.

[Swerto]

April 1rst

[Yatokth]

April 1rst

You ruined it.

[Gorvena]

And if you really are going to miss those sections, what is it about those sections will you miss?

Checking out what interests other people, or trying to find juicy posts to make sarcastic remarks about?
Oh, organizing parties, and yes, seeing what interesting things other people have to say/share interesting things with other people.

I'll admit I have not written anything lately, partially due to being busy, but also because I cannot seem to ever get anyone to participate in open rp stories.

You feel like you're beating your head against the wall? Join the club, errrr, social group.

[Athin]

I really hope this isn't some kind of April's fools joke.

I dunno. It seems only to fragment the community even further. If you want to discuss something that's not RP, you must do it only with your own friends. Heavens forbid divergent opinions and frank discussions from people outside your peer group can take place.

I've seen TNG as a central hub for the Twisting Nether role players. Sure, the thing that brings (most) of us together is that we like to RP. But that's not our only interests.

So, instead of punishing everyone, why don't you punish the people who are actually making things worse. Ban, suspend, take away posting privileges of those who aren't following the community norms.

[Swerto]

That's a wishful post, because if it isn't april fools I'm probably not going to post here much anymore.

[Xaraphyne]

April 1rst

If this is an April fool's joke, Mortica's been building up on it for some time. D:

[Cabriel]

So, instead of punishing everyone, why don't you punish the people who are actually making things worse. Ban, suspend, take away posting privileges of those who aren't following the community norms.

That can't happen, because depending on the day, the post, the mod, and the moods of the people who views posts and replies, it changes. It's not consistent. There is no "community norm".

[Yatokth]

If this is an April fool's joke, Mortica's been building up on it for some time. D:

She had me going for half a minute.

WELL PLAYED.

[Maithanet]

That's a wishful post, because if it isn't april fools I'm probably not going to post here much anymore.

If its not an April Fools I'm pretty sure the reaction then will be "Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out".

[Kirick]

If it's not an April Fool's joke, then Mortica isn't punishing anyone. She hasn't taken away the ability to interact socially with your friends. She's just making you do it differently, in a way that is less publicly invasive (whether or not you feel those forums were invasive is up to you).

So, if it's true, don't see it as what you like being taken away, because it's not. It's just changed.

[Villayna]

So, instead of punishing everyone, why don't you punish the people who are actually making things worse. Ban, suspend, take away posting privileges of those who aren't following the community norms.

That might be an option also. I'm testing the waters to see what will happen if people are forced to use the social groups. Please note: Social groups do not have to be private, feel free to make public ones that anyone can join!

[Athin]

If it's not an April Fool's joke, then Mortica isn't punishing anyone. She hasn't taken away the ability to interact socially with your friends. She's just making you do it differently, in a way that is less publicly invasive (whether or not you feel those forums were invasive is up to you).

So, if it's true, don't see it as what you like being taken away, because it's not. It's just changed.

Thing is, I'm here not to just interact with my friends. I'm here to make new friends, and interact with the community at large.

Sorry, RP alone isn't going to cut it for me; I may hate someone RPly and love them OOCly and vice/versa. The people I've befriended through here were made mostly out of the OOC areas.

[Swerto]

So she's pushing people into the corner and telling them to do it away from prying eyes?

That makes no sense. I rarely touch the community section of this website because I find it to be tedius, the forum set up is really simple. New post? Click it and read, done!

Social groups? For one most of them I have to be apart of, then there's the shifting between the different ones. Blogs are no better.

[Kirick]

Thing is, I'm here not to just interact with my friends. I'm here to make new friends, and interact with the community at large.

Sorry, RP alone isn't going to cut it for me; I may hate someone RPly and love them OOCly and vice/versa. The people I've befriended through here were made mostly out of the OOC areas.

Then check Mortica's post about how social groups can be public. People you don't know will join them. You can chat with people you do know. You can wander through groups that are public, and read all the posts made there.

Dig?

[Cabriel]

Then check Mortica's post about how social groups can be public. People you don't know will join them. You can chat with people you do know. You can wander through groups that are public, and read all the posts made there.

Dig?

Until someone in those groups who disagrees with another person, or is 'offended', or just plain doesn't like the other person, reports something. Then we have the exact same subjective, inconsistent, and ever-shifting problem of whose opinion *really* matters here, who someone doesn't like, what stays and what goes, and who is who's favorite.

Subjectivity, dig? It cuts both ways.

[Malebrignon]

I really hope this isn't some kind of April's fools joke.

So, instead of punishing everyone, why don't you punish the people who are actually making things worse. Ban, suspend, take away posting privileges of those who aren't following the community norms.

I'll attempt to field this.

This is not an April Fool's joke. If it is, then I'm being tricked, too, and I'll have some strong words about it tomorrow. As mentioned, this has been a long time coming.

If I asked...oh, I'll pick on Cabriel, who needed to be removed from this forum to make it a better place, it'd be a list of people I likely enjoy including myself. If I asked Gorvena who should be removed to make it a better place, I doubt anyone on Cabriel's list would be on Gorv's list. If I asked Raziel who needed to be removed, the answer would likely be "nobody, they're all fine" as much as that might surprise some of you.

The problem with doing that is that the people others would name as troublemakers and trolls are also integrated within their own social networks and suddenly removing one person from the site results in ten people leaving. Nobody wants to create a mass exodus.

However, an awful lot of people don't want to show any kind of common courtesy, either. The same people that constantly derail topics are also reporting other people for being off-topic in the threads they created. Many of these derailers show complete disregard for the threads of others, except for Malorii, who is pretty much always off-topic and we all know this about her. Emmons came up with the best explanation for that I've seen.

More importantly, the off-topic forums are seeing more than five times the amount of posts per week than the RP and WoW forums. This site is primarily for RP and WoW. Nobody is stifling your voices or creativity. It's just being redirected back to the original intention of the site.

[Malebrignon]

Until someone in those groups who disagrees with another person, or is 'offended', or just plain doesn't like the other person, reports something. Then we have the exact same subjective, inconsistent, and ever-shifting problem of whose opinion *really* matters here, who someone doesn't like, what stays and what goes, and who is who's favorite.

Subjectivity, dig? It cuts both ways.

Social groups are not subject to moderation by anyone other than Villayna and the creator of the group. Don't like what someone in your group is doing? Remove them.

[Sabachthan]

Swerto's just concerned none will be made public and he will be excluded. ;)

- - EDIT: And now for an unrelated statement directed toward the OP. And EDIT: Malebrignon is straight up on target. But he usually is. - -

I suppose this would improve my productivity.

[Akuje]

I think I might have used the report post button.. once?

I will dish it as well as take it. People just need to stop being whiney little bitches and learn that life isn't always roses, and everyone does not want to be your friend.

Except me, I am so damn amazing everyone wants to be my friend.

[Yatokth]

I think I might have used the report post button.. once?

I will dish it as well as take it. People just need to stop being whiney little bitches and learn that life isn't always roses, and everyone does not want to be your friend.

Except me, I am so damn amazing everyone wants to be my friend.

Have my babies.

[Fynne]

I think this is great. That is all.

[Lysimachus]

I think this is great. That is all.

I'm not entirely against it, either.

Also, when I hit exalted with the forum, does that mean I get a cool title underneath my name like "Legendary Swashbuckler," too?

Like achievements?

[Sabachthan]

Might be a good idea to expand the number of social group categories.

[Kirick]

Until someone in those groups who disagrees with another person, or is 'offended', or just plain doesn't like the other person, reports something. Then we have the exact same subjective, inconsistent, and ever-shifting problem of whose opinion *really* matters here, who someone doesn't like, what stays and what goes, and who is who's favorite.

Subjectivity, dig? It cuts both ways.

You're right. The only solution to that is to cut off all contact with anyone who might ever disagree with you, ever. Somehow, though, I don't think you're suggesting that Mortica should cancel all OOC communication, or IC communication that has disagreements.

People will always be subjective and inconsistent. Always, forever. The solution is to find people who are mostly subjective like you are and are mostly consistent where you care, and spend most of your time with them.

[Irontoe]

I love this change. Thank you, Mortica, mod staff, for (largely) giving the forum back to the roleplayers. I'm a little sad that there will be less stupid crap to troll, as I couldn't care less what goes on in the dark corners of blogs and social groups, but at the same time... the primary goal of trolling here is to cut down on the stupid crap.

And with the simple message, "this belongs on your blog," I think Mortica may have become the biggest troll of all.

[Yatokth]

And with the simple message, "this belongs on your blog," I think Mortica may have become the biggest troll of all.

Oh lord.

[Villayna]

titles are on a per-ask basis. Ask for one, and you'll probably get it as long as it isn't too raunchy. But make sure you like it because it's a one time thing.

[Lysimachus]

titles are on a per-ask basis. Ask for one, and you'll probably get it as long as it isn't too raunchy. But make sure you like it because it's a one time thing.

!!!!

I shall no longer derail the complaints thread with visions of personal glory.
Thank you.

*goes to plot*

[Skaadvik]

I don't think anyone's ever offended me on here. people need to man (or woman) up.

[Villayna]

The New Miscellaneous (http://wow-tng.org/group.php?groupid=76)

There, everyone should be able to join/post.

[Skaadvik]

The New Miscellaneous (http://wow-tng.org/group.php?groupid=76)

There, everyone should be able to join/post.

I don't get how this changes anything.

[Agnarr]

Because its in a different place, silly. Gosh, some people are dense.

Editor's note: Being called "dense" should actually be a complement, as it means your brain is more dense, and therefore capable of storing more.

[Yichimet]

Praise be to all that is holy, there is a God.

[Kaldore]

Wait... So instead of a spam-laden garbage heap called "Misc/Non-Wow" or "Personal" you'll just have to create another section in the private forums?

[drippygoo]

RP is fun and all, but the forums that are gone now made this feel like a "community" not just for arrrreee-peees

pffft

[Bellsa]

I really hope this isn't some kind of April's fools joke.

I dunno. It seems only to fragment the community even further. If you want to discuss something that's not RP, you must do it only with your own friends. Heavens forbid divergent opinions and frank discussions from people outside your peer group can take place.

I've seen TNG as a central hub for the Twisting Nether role players. Sure, the thing that brings (most) of us together is that we like to RP. But that's not our only interests.

This.

I signed up here for the roleplaying community. That is two words.

Roleplaying: It's fun. I enjoy reading stories and using this to keep the game interesting. It's a hobby that I can take up absolutely anywhere on the net. There are hundreds of rp sites out there that have talent just like we have. So, why should I choose your forums over the countless others? The people here, on this forum, are the reason I came to this server.

Community: It's the reason I stay. If just typing up ideas and reading random plots was all I wanted I could grab a journal and scan the countless other rp sites out there, but I am also here to make friends, to feel like I belong to a community and not just a server where I know a few names. Taking away the ability to openly discuss things as a community is taking away most of my reason for being here on the forums. I can't ever see myself staying in a place that doesn't promote the entire member base to interact and think of itself as a whole, not just this group or that group.

I'm very disappointed.

[Lysimachus]

RP is fun and all, but the forums that are gone now made this feel like a "community" not just for arrrreee-peees

pffft

I dunno, sometimes it felt more like a war-zone than a community.

Maybe a war-torn community.

[drippygoo]

This.

I signed up here for the roleplaying community. That is two words.

Roleplaying: It's fun. I enjoy reading stories and using this to keep the game interesting. It's a hobby that I can take up absolutely anywhere on the net. There are hundreds of rp sites out there that have talent just like we have. So, why should I choose your forums over the countless others? The people here, on this forum, are the reason I came to this server.

Community: It's the reason I stay. If just typing up ideas and reading random plots was all I wanted I could grab a journal and scan the countless other rp sites out there, but I am also here to make friends, to feel like I belong to a community and not just a server where I know a few names. Taking away the ability to openly discuss things as a community is taking away most of my reason for being here on the forums. I can't ever see myself staying in a place that doesn't promote the entire member base to interact and think of itself as a whole, not just this group or that group.

I'm very disappointed.


THIS


But I dont think it matter what we think. The mods will do what they want its there site after all.
And if things dont turn out like there magic ball predicted, it'll prolly be reversed, or not.

[Yichimet]

Stuff about community

It's a shame that that community has been a bunch of whining mofos for like months on months now.

And Kaldore: yeah, it's a silly thing, but maybe one extra step of interface interaction will keep people from actually clicking on things they don't want to read but feel compelled to engage in anyway?

[Malethia]

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It's behavior like this that caused the OOC forums to be taken away. People who jump on every tiny little opportunity to launch themselves at someone else's throat and strangle away until the very last breath of enjoyment, of common courtesy, has evaporated.

Personally, I'm glad to see them gone. My hope is that those people who contributed nothing to RP but everything to the overall negative vibe on these boards will no longer have a reason to be here.

RP or GTFO I say.

[Villayna]

Wait... So instead of a spam-laden garbage heap called "Misc/Non-Wow" or "Personal" you'll just have to create another section in the private forums?

Well, telling people to play nice just isn't cutting it. Banning the largest trouble-makers would cause massive drama because I promise, these people are sitting there nodding their head with me right now, but will be first to do a double-take when they get banned. This is compounded by the fact that these people are (to my knowledge) all actively RPing here and/or ingame. So as Malebrignon was saying, if I take out the people *I* personally think would make the site better if they weren't here, then do I lose everyone else in their guild? In their RP networks? Does TNG just become "people who aren't on Villayna's shitlist?", because I'm pretty sure TNG would die pretty quickly if that were the case.

I'm not saying these changes are permanent (well, news of the personal -> blogs is a no-brainer, and "games other than wow" sections -> social groups is also).

What I'm not sure about is the miscellaneous section. That will probably come back in some form, with tighter rules.

[Irontoe]

ITT:

"We're closing the forums that have nothing to do with the purpose of the website."

"Hurray!"

"April Fool's... wait, really?"

"Hey, what about the community?"

"We're always here to support the RP community."

"Community!"

"Did you hear what I just said?"

"Moving the pointless drama off the front page doesn't solve anything."

"Moving the pointless drama off the front page is more welcoming to both new and established RPers."

"COMMUNITEH!"

"The tenth thread about how awesome my dick looks in jeans/underwear/naked got deleted because of FAVORITISM!"

--miscellaneous brown-nosing--

"Villayna is a troll."

"The mods are sweeping the problem under the rug."

"CUMUNITURRRHH!!111!11"

[Kaldore]

And Kaldore: yeah, it's a silly thing, but maybe one extra step of interface interaction will keep people from actually clicking on things they don't want to read but feel compelled to engage in anyway?


People with sad little lives and massive allotments of discretionary time spamming on the internet offend other people with sad little lives and massive allotments of discretionary time to craft PM's to mods in the hopes that they will make their lives sad by taking up massive allotments of their discretionary time.... Wheels within fucking wheels man.

[Kirick]

People with sad little lives and massive allotments of discretionary time spamming on the internet offend other people with sad little lives and massive allotments of discretionary time to craft PM's to mods in the hopes that they will make their lives sad by taking up massive allotments of their discretionary time.... Wheels within fucking wheels man.


Mostly, I think this is going to give the mods the ability to ay, "Well then don't be in that community. Not my f-ing problem, go whine to your social group creator." And then everyone else can see what a constant miasma of bullshit they have to wade through.

[Kaldore]

EXACTLY.


You should see the Politics Private forum... King Sabby and I go back and forth about damn near everything and nobody sends Mal-o-rama mean PM's.


Fuck, I think Politics needs to be renamed the Adult forum.

[Yichimet]

I want to understand the impulse that makes the person click that "report post" button when it's not actual, bot-created forum-spam. But eh.

I do hope this change pushes people to the WoW sections, especially the RP ones. That'd be pretty cool.

[Malebrignon]

The report button is mainly there to direct mods quickly to personal attacks and inappropriate material in addition to spambots, Yichi.

[Akuje]

I once again want to share how much I support this change.

I have less time to read about your damn chicken sandwich, and more time to spend writing the RP stories I've been meaning to write...

[Raziel]

THis is the best troll ever.

Because it cuts down on my work.

Gosh.. what can I even talk about now?

WERE IST EIN GESTAPO?!

EDIT:

I HEREBY DECLARE THIS A VICTORY IN THE NAME OF THE VENOMPOST CLAN!

WE WON!!!!

[Kaldore]

I missed this, my apologies.


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It's behavior like this that caused the OOC forums to be taken away. People who jump on every tiny little opportunity to launch themselves at someone else's throat and strangle away until the very last breath of enjoyment, of common courtesy, has evaporated.

Personally, I'm glad to see them gone. My hope is that those people who contributed nothing to RP but everything to the overall negative vibe on these boards will no longer have a reason to be here.

RP or GTFO I say.


No, I believe it's posturing and emo laden ranting and raving in PM's regarding the perceived injustice of someone questioning or challenging a statement made on an internet forum that MIGHT, just might, have more bearing than lighthearted snarkiness and sarcasm from gun-toting monkeys.

[drippygoo]

THis is the best troll ever.

Because it cuts down on my work.

Gosh.. what can I even talk about now?

WERE IST EIN GESTAPO?!

EDIT:

I HEREBY DECLARE THIS A VICTORY IN THE NAME OF THE VENOMPOST CLAN!

WE WON!!!!


I believe you just lost the game.



All this is doing is moving the non wow, non rp related topics off the main page.
Now all this stuff will move to the blogs where people will bitch just the same.


I like chicken sandwiches with pickle.

[Yichimet]

The report button is mainly there to direct mods quickly to personal attacks and inappropriate material in addition to spambots, Yichi.

I hope it was only for those reasons it was employed, then, but I somehow find that an inconceivable idea.

[Cabriel]

I hope it was only for those reasons it was employed, then, but I somehow find that an inconceivable idea.

Ya think?

[Akuje]

Irony: All the Trolls, bad peoples, and poo poo heads are finding this a positive change.

The change in no way prevents you from sharing what you had for lunch, or your hello kitty nut snuggers. It does not prevent the "community" from sharing or being together. By clicking "community" you are given the option to view social groups.. and within these groups are many many options, even some down to very specific topics.

I praise Mort for the change. It's a good change. And once everyone is over " OMG NEW STUFF :RAGE:" You will find it just as well.

Why? You can make your own group, and kick out the people you don't like, or let them read it, but not say anything..

[Villayna]

edit, adding quote of what I was replying to:

No, I believe it's posturing and emo laden ranting and raving in PM's regarding the perceived injustice of someone questioning or challenging a statement made on an internet forum that MIGHT, just might, have more bearing than lighthearted snarkiness and sarcasm from gun-toting monkeys.

actually it is both.

1. People posting stuff they've been asked multiple times to not post because it's inappropriate and then acting offended every single time, but god FORBID anyone even make the slightest innuendo about their clique and the volume of QQ would make a 2 year old proud.

2. People who seem to be unable to post something positive, only thinly veiled snipes at people they don't like.

[Rand_Shea]

As someone who uses the RP forum and the OOC forums, it's really quite disappointing that people were so inept at controlling themselves that it resulted in the owner of this site acting like a babysitter and taking away something that people did nothing but fight over.

Dear TNG,

Grow up. Kthx.

~Rand

Though, I'm not going to protest it. It's Villayna's forum, she can do as she wants, and now everyone who wants to soil their collective diapers at each other can do so in their own little communities where none of the big bad mods can get them.

Congratulations to Venompost. :P

[Kirick]

2. People who seem to be unable to post something positive, only thinly veiled snipes at people they don't like.

See? This is me. I'm why we can't have nice things.

[Tiraline]

See? This is me. I'm why we can't have nice things.

Wait, was that a thinly-veiled snipe at yourself? O_o

*runs*

[Kirick]

Wait, was that a thinly-veiled snipe at yourself? O_o

*runs*

Well, I do snipe at people I don't like...

[Amoola]

RP or GTFO I say.

[sarcasm]
Yup the only people who should be here are those who can or do RP all the time.
[/end sarcasm]

Girls all ranting and raving is welcome in our area. All the other groups I have made are open with the exception of the guild group I started.

I really don't think this is going to help any. *shrug*

[Kirick]

I really don't think this is going to help any. *shrug*

Well, doing what they've been doing sure isn't helping. Doing something is better than sitting around hoping the problem goes away on its own.

[Izrail]

This is weird because I suggested something like this a while ago. Didn't expect it to actually happen.

First, thank you for leaving up the Skafloc forum. It honors his memory, and showcases TNGers at their best behavior. Maybe I'm bad at moving on but it's good to see it still there. Also good to see the OOC forums related to WoW and the running of the site. And thank you for leaving the closed forums accessible so I can read the posts I missed.

If the "OOC drama forums" remain closed, would it be possible to move the Picture thread to the WoW section, or start a new one there? Just about every internet forum I have been on has one of these, people like them and it's too casual to deserve its own social group.



I dunno. It seems only to fragment the community even further. If you want to discuss something that's not RP, you must do it only with your own friends. Heavens forbid divergent opinions and frank discussions from people outside your peer group can take place.

This concerns me also. Social groups will make it too easy to avoid people you don't like. But maybe for the majority of the community that's a good thing. I'll wait to see how it plays out.

It's also more difficult to browse blogs and social groups, but I'll get over that. For the love of Chtulhu don't spam blog comments just because it's the most easily accessible OOC section. Keep chatter to social groups.

[Villayna]

I really don't think this is going to help any. *shrug*

It is going to help, because essentially, I have granted every single registered person on this site the ability to moderate THEIR corner of TNG however they like.

I am letting the people who like to be snarky be snarky.
I am letting the people who like to spam the boards with a link to Internet Story #234324344 can do so.
I am letting people be themselves.

If people want to complain about a post in a social group, they need to contact the social group owner. I will only be interferring in what is posted there in blatant personal attacks in _public_ groups.

[Tiraline]

Well, I do snipe at people I don't like...

That's okay. I'll like you enough for both of us. :)

*is a confusing person*

To be fair, I spend too much time on this forum. Maybe with less OOC craziness, I can get a few things done. I therefore extend a thank-you to Mort.

[Evanthe]

This


First, thank you for leaving up the Skafloc forum.

and this


If the "OOC drama forums" remain closed, would it be possible to move the Picture thread to the WoW section, or start a new one there? Just about every internet forum I have been on has one of these, people like them and it's too casual to deserve its own social group.

I agree with wholeheartedly.


Social groups will make it too easy to avoid people you don't like. But maybe for the majority of the community that's a good thing. I'll wait to see how it plays out.

I understand what Mortica's trying to do; however, one of the main complaints I've heard time and again about the TNG is how "cliqish" it is, and this seems to make it more so.


It's also more difficult to browse blogs and social groups, but I'll get over that.

I second the crappy interface on these sections. Whoever created the UI for them should be flogged a few times.

[Amoola]

Well, doing what they've been doing sure isn't helping. Doing something is better than sitting around hoping the problem goes away on its own.

Not saying that they shouldn't try, but, I don't see how making things more round about will help either.


It is going to help, because essentially, I have granted every single registered person on this site the ability to moderate THEIR corner of TNG however they like.

I am letting the people who like to be snarky be snarky.
I am letting the people who like to spam the boards with a link to Internet Story #234324344 can do so.
I am letting people be themselves.

If people want to complain about a post in a social group, they need to contact the social group owner. I will only be interferring in what is posted there in blatant personal attacks in _public_ groups.

Vill, I love you, I respect you a whole lot. I don't mean to come off as one of those folks who will leave over this, as I'm not planning on it. But at the same time there is a reason that I don't use the blog feature here. It is like trying to find something that you like that was hidden in the back of a store. The social groups are a little easier to get to and use then the blogs but at the same time they are about half way back in the store.
If we are to keep separated from the folks we don't like, alrighty then. But, at the same time it does kill a good portion of the feel of the site.

I don't know how to 'fix' the issue at hand. But, having folks start waving the RP or leave flag isn't going to help either. Not that you have but, yeah.... This kind of has the feel of the time that the whole 'those who can't spend all of their time and anergy raiding are casual players and don't deserve to have things opened up for them with out putting in the same work as the rest of us' issue popped up. It's just looking like another divide.

[Yatokth]

ITT:

"We're closing the forums that have nothing to do with the purpose of the website."

"Hurray!"

"April Fool's... wait, really?"

"Hey, what about the community?"

"We're always here to support the RP community."

"Community!"

"Did you hear what I just said?"

"Moving the pointless drama off the front page doesn't solve anything."

"Moving the pointless drama off the front page is more welcoming to both new and established RPers."

"COMMUNITEH!"

"The tenth thread about how awesome my dick looks in jeans/underwear/naked got deleted because of FAVORITISM!"

--miscellaneous brown-nosing--

"Villayna is a troll."

"The mods are sweeping the problem under the rug."

"CUMUNITURRRHH!!111!11"

I lol'd.

[The_Golden_Wolf]

I call shenanigans.

[Karkarov]

Well I can understand the personal section being taken out and changed to "post it in your blog". Thats basically what a blog is for anyway...

However removing the misc section seems sort of.... silly. Alot of complaints here about people not wanting to read about Joe and his chicken sandwich preference, or the lack of rp posts, the name calling, personal attacks, blah blah blah. You know there have been times I clicked on a thread on TNG and saw within the first few posts I really didnt want to read all that was said and didnt care about the topic. I did this highly unusual technique at that point. It is called "clicked the back button". Then I simply never clicked that thread again. Pretty easy to do actually.

I also find it strange alot of the people saying this was a good change rarely if ever posted in the affected forums. How can you have an opinion if you never used the forums to begin with? Are you saying you lurked them looking for things to complain about? Well if someone reading this post did that then I have a news flash for them, the problem is you not the forum. If you dont like a forum section or a thread all you had to do was not click on it and you were free and clear. If the "rp'ers" dont like official sections existing that arent about RP then... you guys have alot bigger problems to deal with than the misc section, trust me.

In the end my opinion doesnt count for anything either way. It is mortica's website and she can do with it as she sees fit. However I would have rather seen specific individuals punished, even if I was deemed to be one of them, than this because this punishes people that did nothing wrong. Lastly I agree with the "man/woman up" sentiment posted earlier.

[Yichimet]

Amoola, I'm not sure I understand; there's a link at the top for both "Blogs" and "Community" and they lead to exactly what they say they lead to.

[Esmi]

((>.>

Honestly I didn't notice until a friend asked me how I felt about it in an IM...

I would just like to state: This will not make me post in the RP area's any more. I will continue to lurk and read, yes, and I will continue post my journals... and my pictures, few as they may be...

If it helps you out, and makes this place an easier nicer place to be, i encourage it.))

[Malethia]

If the "rp'ers" dont like official sections existing that arent about RP then... you guys have alot bigger problems to deal with than the misc section, trust me.

I think this sums up my thoughts right here. This is supposed to be a RP forum, and the fact that people post here and refer to RP'ers as "you" instead of "we" means that perhaps a nice big earthquake is just the thing needed to fix the biggest issue.

[Swerto]

Even with all the picking on me that happened, the only time I have ever hit the 'report' button was when someone posted something completely out of line in a thread they should not have.

Mr. and Mrs. offended have destroyed the internet.

[Cyrass]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel this makes TNG seem a lot less welcoming, at least as far as closing the misc forum goes. Yes, personal stuff should be in blogs, but now if you want to discuss something that's not WoW related, you are supposed to be part of a social group. Now, let's say someone new rolls on TN and find out about TNG through the realm forums. This also seems like it will make TNG even more cliquish than it already is. I'm just getting that feeling from this whole matter, especially the closing of the misc forums.

[Kirick]

I did this highly unusual technique at that point. It is called "clicked the back button". Then I simply never clicked that thread again. Pretty easy to do actually.

And if everyone was mature enough to that, it'd be fine. They're not, though, no matter how many times they (we) get told to be. So, Mortica's taking steps.


I also find it strange alot of the people saying this was a good change rarely if ever posted in the affected forums.

I posted in the affected forums fairly regularly. It's good that they're going away.


If the "rp'ers" dont like official sections existing that arent about RP then... you guys have alot bigger problems to deal with than the misc section, trust me.

If we're dividing this into RPers or non-RPers, the non-RPers probably ought to find a different site to socialize. OOC socialization is nice, but it's a side-effect of the primary purpose of this website, as I understand it. This is an RP site for an RP(-PvP) server. People coming here and posting solely in the OOC channels is like people transferring to an RP server because "they have a more mature player base, but I really don't RP."

I had another point but I lost it somewhere along the way. If I think of it, I'll put it in here.

EDIT: I remembered.

TNG does have a reputation for being cliquish. That's because people tend to follow things (posts, people, trends, whatever) that they like. People who don't get followed accuse the others of being elitist and excluding them. This may or may not be true, but it's irrelevant. So long as anyone ever posts on one thread and not on another, TNG will be accused of being cliquish. The end.

[Bruuin]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel this makes TNG seem a lot less welcoming, at least as far as closing the misc forum goes. Yes, personal stuff should be in blogs, but now if you want to discuss something that's not WoW related, you are supposed to be part of a social group. Now, let's say someone new rolls on TN and find out about TNG through the realm forums. This also seems like it will make TNG even more cliquish than it already is. I'm just getting that feeling from this whole matter, especially the closing of the misc forums.

If anything, all the bitching, whining, moaning, bashing, NSFW pics, emo fest, LOOK AT MY ASS, I ate this, ect. posts will not be front page material. It won't be some of the first things people see when skimming through the forums. It will make the front apperance look a little more appealing. If they dive deeper, they will, as with any forum, find filth and such, but have the opportunity to avoid it.

One thing people often forget is that we do have people who are not 'legal' and people who are able to surf at work. Your work place allowed you to look at porn? Yay, good for you. One of the lucky few.

Anyway, my two cents on it all. I like it. The OOC stuff can still be around, you can join your groups for what you hate and no one will have to see how much you hate pregnant ladies or how much you like tight jeans or what have you.

You moderate you own filth. You ban people from your own groups.

The RP stuff is still here. Which, in my opinion, is the focus of TNG.

[Amoola]

Yichi the last time I bothered to use the blog function of the gazette I do not recall that button being there and I'm not sure when it was put there. I had given up on using the blog by that point. Buttons I use are Beutha's notch (or what ever it is being called at the time) and user cp (so that I can get to the social groups). That is really about it.

At this point I am going to step back and watch. What happens, happens. I have plenty of other things in my life worth getting worked up over.

[Irontoe]

Banning the largest trouble-makers would cause massive drama because I promise, these people are sitting there nodding their head with me right now, but will be first to do a double-take when they get banned.

*nods*

[Malethia]

Yes, personal stuff should be in blogs, but now if you want to discuss something that's not WoW related, you are supposed to be part of a social group.

The problem with having a Misc. section is exactly what created the News of the Personal section: people would post in Misc. and then you'd see an enormous horde of trolls complain that they didn't want to bother seeing peoples' personal stuff in that forum. So the Personal forum was created so said trolls didn't HAVE to read it...and the trolls just went into that forum and complained there instead.

So then you have to decide what constitutes personal stuff and what actually is Misc. and blahblahblah people whine about the mods being inconsistent and so on and so on.

A giant headache has been removed. If you want to post something, post it to a group or blog. The people who would've read it will know to go there instead of a forum, the people who don't want to see those posts will have no right to bitch anymore, and you can't complain about the mod policies because you're the one doing it.

[Sifar]

By Khaz, can we just give it a week and see how things go?

I'll raise my hand to say that I'm one of those people who used the handy collapse button to close the lower half of these forums. I did it to stop myself from spending too much time here and to not get pulled into debates about the best place for lunch or the way to raise my kids. I see a snarky comment, I hit the Back button and move on. However, the number of "epic" threads that had to be locked seems a little over the top, to me.

I cannot imagine that the community here will dry up and be blown away if people don't have a readily accessible, click one button way to share the things that pop into their heads.

[Aphraelle]

If anything, all the bitching, whining, moaning, bashing, NSFW pics, emo fest, LOOK AT MY ASS, I ate this, ect. posts will not be front page material. It won't be some of the first things people see when skimming through the forums. It will make the front apperance look a little more appealing. If they dive deeper, they will, as with any forum, find filth and such, but have the opportunity to avoid it.

The RP stuff is still here. Which, in my opinion, is the focus of TNG.

Pretty much this, although I personally wouldn't use the word filth. I suppose tastes differ, however. I would tend to reserve that for stories in the former Adult forum about anal rape by dogs, "in character" though they may have been, but that's just me.

I have no problem with the move. I've enjoyed the Miscellaneous forums, but not so much that having them moved is going to affect my experience of TNG. And, being someone who is highly distractible, I - ooh, shiny! Um... what? Oh, right. Heh heh. Sorry - think it will help me post more, simply because the RP stuff will be right there in front of me and the shiny distracting Miscellaneous stuff will be elsewhere.

I do, however, very much support the idea of amplifying the classifications for social groups. Currently the only options for creating a group are "RP" and "Uncategorized," which is perhaps a wee bit overly general. :)

[Raziel]

I believe you just lost the game.

No friend, we just won the forums.

THis is Victory over Drama Day.
VD Day.

We'll be spreading VD everywhere.


*nods*

You don't count. You've already been banned.

[Villayna]

I do, however, very much support the idea of amplifying the classifications for social groups. Currently the only options for creating a group are "RP" and "Uncategorized," which is perhaps a wee bit overly general. :)

If people can tell me what they want for category names, I can make them. I think I meant to make more options but

*ooh shiny*

[Kirick]

But, having folks start waving the RP or leave flag isn't going to help either.

I think what people saying "RP or leave" (myself included) actually mean is, "This is a site dedicated to RP. If you are not here for RP, do not expect the site to cater to your wants."

After all, you wouldn't get www.papajohns.com to send you a novel, or amazon.com to send you a pizza.

[Sifar]

Let's see how we do with Lore, WoW, PVP, and Discussions still running. Mkay?

Amoola, you might find the other areas much easier to use now. There have been a bunch of updates since first put in.

[Malethia]

I think what people saying "RP or leave" (myself included) actually mean is, "This is a site dedicated to RP. If you are not here for RP, do not expect the site to cater to your wants."

This, but "RP or GTFO" is catchier.

[Sabachthan]

"Other Writings"?

[Villayna]

"Other Writings"?

yeah, not sure about that one. I am leaning towards allowing a single, more focused forum under miscellaneous, so if I end up doing that, I'll probably stick the "other writings" section in there.

[Cyrass]

If anything, all the bitching, whining, moaning, bashing, NSFW pics, emo fest, LOOK AT MY ASS, I ate this, ect. posts will not be front page material. It won't be some of the first things people see when skimming through the forums. It will make the front apperance look a little more appealing. If they dive deeper, they will, as with any forum, find filth and such, but have the opportunity to avoid it.

One thing people often forget is that we do have people who are not 'legal' and people who are able to surf at work. Your work place allowed you to look at porn? Yay, good for you. One of the lucky few.

Anyway, my two cents on it all. I like it. The OOC stuff can still be around, you can join your groups for what you hate and no one will have to see how much you hate pregnant ladies or how much you like tight jeans or what have you.

You moderate you own filth. You ban people from your own groups.

The RP stuff is still here. Which, in my opinion, is the focus of TNG.
Or we could just, you know, MODERATE what gets posted as far as keeping things work safe. And frankly, I'd rather not have to join and follow 1000 different groups just to discuss various OOC things. And that's from someone who's been here for awhile.

Again, if there was someone new, they'd feel isolated since everything not WoW related would be going on in private groups. And this will bleed over into RP since people like to play with people they know are their friends. So what happens? Suddenly Rps are only really open to people in this group or this group or that group, and the new member or just people outside of those groups are left out.

[Cabriel]

how much you hate pregnant ladies or how much you like tight jeans or what have you.


I'd really appreciate if people would stop making it seem that my posts were the only 'offenders'. You don't realize it -- and there are quite a few of you who almost definitely do not care -- but that's hurtful and...oh yeah...not the case. I'm one of the people who frequented to OOC forums all the time, but I'm also one of the people who consistently and actively RP here and in-game.

I've been everyone's whipping boy for quite a while now, and it'd be nice to have that stop with this change. Lay off already.

[Kirick]

Or we could just, you know, MODERATE what gets posted as far as keeping things work safe. And frankly, I'd rather not have to join and follow 1000 different groups just to discuss various OOC things. And that's from someone who's been here for awhile.

They have been moderating. It doesn't work. The moderators don't want to have to deal with that. So, now they won't.

[Cyrass]

They have been moderating. It doesn't work. The moderators don't want to have to deal with that. So, now they won't.

Because I must not have been there for that. I never saw any strong efforts to punish people who were posting NSFW things baring one of Cabriel's threads.

[Szordrin]

Hooray for VD day!

[Kirick]

Because I must not have been there for that. I never saw any strong efforts to punish people who were posting NSFW things baring one of Cabriel's threads.

You must not have been. I've seen it.

[Jeedup]

I've been everyone's whipping boy for quite a while now, and it'd be nice to have that stop with this change. Lay off already.

Oh, theres been alot of them. Don't worry. Start a social group?

[Raziel]

Oh, theres been alot of them. Don't worry. Start a social group?

He has several

[Swerto]

I'd really appreciate if people would stop making it seem that my posts were the only 'offenders'. You don't realize it -- and there are quite a few of you who almost definitely do not care -- but that's hurtful and...oh yeah...not the case. I'm one of the people who frequented to OOC forums all the time, but I'm also one of the people who consistently and actively RP here and in-game.

I've been everyone's whipping boy for quite a while now, and it'd be nice to have that stop with this change. Lay off already.
We should start a whipping boy social group, we can serve muffins!


Anyways I've never really been a fan of forum based RP, I prefer it in game and live action, so TNG has been more or less my OOC area, I pipe in the WoW and lore discussion now and then but my participating in the RP forum has been minimal. Whereas if you meet me in game I am always IC in /guild, /s, and /y, and if requested /t, /g, or /r.

I am an avid roleplayer, albeit an anti social one.

[Jeedup]

I dont care. Art forum is still intact. WOOT.

edit: Swerto bashing outlawed last week.

[Lysimachus]

He has several
I believe he maintains the same number as you.

[Vaaldis]

I'm gonna wait to see if we just got massively trolled or if this is the real deal before I put my real two cents in.

[Jeedup]

I'm gonna wait to see if we just got massively trolled or if this is the real deal before I put my real two cents in.

well seeing as though the OWNER of the forum made the post, I'm leaning towards real.

Besides, this section is ment for you to put in you opinion, holding it in isn't gonna help you much

[Vaaldis]

Being here a few days I've seen some 'drama' about on the OOC forums & can see how this could be totally true, but I find it AWFUL timing since it's April Fools. ;)
We'll see.

[Irontoe]

I believe he maintains the same number as you.

Well, seeing as checking only requires a click on each name... Cab runs three times as many as Raziel. Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying.


I've been everyone's whipping boy for quite a while now...

We would stop if we didn't think you enjoyed that sort of thing.

[Cabriel]

Um, I created and run 1 (one) social group: "Dear Cabriel"...

[opalexian]

I really hope this isn't some kind of April's fools joke.

I dunno. It seems only to fragment the community even further. If you want to discuss something that's not RP, you must do it only with your own friends. Heavens forbid divergent opinions and frank discussions from people outside your peer group can take place.

I've seen TNG as a central hub for the Twisting Nether role players. Sure, the thing that brings (most) of us together is that we like to RP. But that's not our only interests.

So, instead of punishing everyone, why don't you punish the people who are actually making things worse. Ban, suspend, take away posting privileges of those who aren't following the community norms.

I couldn't agree with this more. I like interacting with people on my server who have a common interest (that usually makes them an above-average WoW player) about other common interests, and life, and stuff.

Additionally-

-The community forums interface and navigation are clunky at best. It's one thing to go there for special interests, which I like doing to read up on those few unique and concentrated things; but now to have to wade through groups of whatever the fuck ever (including likely several that will be locked and therefore just taking up space for me) is going to make navigating it even more clunky and annoying.

-Making everyone basically blog if they want to say ANYTHING ruins the group dynamic the bloggers had; it wasn't exculsive by any stretch of the imagination, but I enjoyed reading @ 5 new blogs a day with interesting and well-thought out or heart-felt things to say. Now it's just going to be a spam trash fest.

I have little time for the game anymore, and even less for forum RP. I know I'm not some 'vital member of the community' and more than a number of people look at me as a troll, but I was sticking around for the people, and I feel that each of the 4 areas-social groups, blogs, news of the personal, and misc-had very specific, unique, and interesting purposes. Now it's just going to be a mess, all in the interest of making people who don't necessarily want to forum-RP forum-RP.

There will be no more 'community'-there will only be RP-elitists, cliques, and a bunch of random bullshit with rare bits of interesting things to read, all just nicely sectioned off.

If the mods were feeling overburdened, make more mods. Give one person a section (news and misc) and say 'look, Xxxxx is pretty much GOD here, so put up or shut up' if you feel it was too much of a burden. I know you're going for that with making everything under social groups, but that's not keeping up community-that is basically just forcing cliques.

Seriously, if it was that bad modding those forums, maybe the people who were whining to mods shoulda just been told to either collapse that group and ignore it forever or put on their big boy pants and quit whining instead of worrying about the site losing people. I think this will lose a lot more people in the long run. I know I won't be nearly as interested, as even the group that was blogging will effectively be destroyed with the influx of whatever; sure those people will still be there, but with the number of people who will come in with innane crap? The news of the personal section had, what, 30 topics listed? with a number of people posting on that topic. Now the blog, which has just 10 lines in the 'most recent blogs' and the same clunky interface as the social groups if you look at 'go further back, with only 5 entries listed per page. Effectively, that is saying 'I really don't care what is going on in your personal life.' What if something happens like with Skaf? His post, his story would not have been here, and many people probably wouldn't have even known he died if news of the personal hadn't been there.

Seriously-you're taking the 'unity' out of 'community.'


Edit:


If we're dividing this into RPers or non-RPers, the non-RPers probably ought to find a different site to socialize. OOC socialization is nice, but it's a side-effect of the primary purpose of this website, as I understand it. This is an RP site for an RP(-PvP) server. People coming here and posting solely in the OOC channels is like people transferring to an RP server because "they have a more mature player base, but I really don't RP."

Not everyone who visits still plays WoW. Not everyone who visits currently has time to write or read RP. But everyone visiting here likes the other people (more or less) who visit the site. I like the people here; I don't currently have time to RP, and I've lost some of my interest in the game and play a lot less frequently than I used to (which is good since school is kinda more important, and also more expensive.) I will not like the cliques and I will not like the social groups basically coming down to 'people who like to argue' and 'locked cliques to hide from the people who like to argue and the trolls.' Oh, and also this RP elitism that is popping up even in this thread. I HAVE RP'd both ingame and on the forum in the past, even tho many people may not remember it. Can I have my street cred? Please? -_-

[Irontoe]

Um, I created and run 1 (one) social group: "Dear Cabriel"...

Whoa there, buddy. Keep things on topic.

[Agnarr]

So is there a way to view all the group you're part of, or do you have to go in to each one to view crap inside?

[The_Golden_Wolf]

<bakes delicious cake and pie>

[Yichimet]

I honestly have no idea how those of you who are arguing that moving OOC chatter to social groups and blogs makes things more cliquish really see this site--the Miscellaneous and Personal News forums were ruled by a number of people that I can probably count on one hand, maaaaaybe a couple more fingers. It was basically a conversation between these people anyway. It can continue as a conversation between these people in other spots, and it can do so without the interruption of the trolls and terrible back-seat mods too.

[opalexian]

I think it was more people than that, Yichi, and new people were coming in all the time too. The only problem having been the QQ...I don't think this is the answer.

[Vilmah]

Lets just give it a chance, I'm sure it'll be fine. :)

[Villayna]

I've opened up a new forum called Discussions. Consider it to be Miscellaneous with a few more restrictions on posting.

[Villayna]

If the mods were feeling overburdened, make more mods. Give one person a section (news and misc) and say 'look, Xxxxx is pretty much GOD here, so put up or shut up' if you feel it was too much of a burden. I know you're going for that with making everything under social groups, but that's not keeping up community-that is basically just forcing cliques.

Seriously, if it was that bad modding those forums, maybe the people who were whining to mods shoulda just been told to either collapse that group and ignore it forever or put on their big boy pants and quit whining instead of worrying about the site losing people.

The problem wasn't that the mods were overburdened, it was that it was becoming impossible to do it fairly without completely restricting what people could post. Some people were out of control and unapologetic about it, but for varied reasons I didn't want to outright ban them. This was the best compromise that I could come up with.

I have never required being an active RPer to interact on this site. But providing tools to enable RPing IS the purpose of this site. The feedback I've been getting for many years is that the OOC was distracting people from the RP. I've tried to sustain the OOC because I do believe it is an important part of the puzzle, but it just seems to have become such a monster that it completely overshadows the RP sections.

I'm tired of people taking the time and effort to post stories here (if you look, the Legends/Journals/Bio sections are still getting many RP posts daily), but all I hear is "waah, RP is dead on this server".

I would NEVER require being an RPer a part of being a member of the community here. But if there was a way for me to force people to read what RP there is here before posting into Misc. I would do it.

[Pyrisath]

Hmm. You made it possible to post in the music thread again, tyvm. I was about to complain.

All in all, I like this change. Although at first the shortening of the useless sections on the main page was surprising, it seems better. Now I can focus on Arr Peez. I seriously hope this isn't an April Fools.

RP Community. This now enforces the RP part, and the community is still accesible. Why is there dissent to this? Or does everyone feel offended because they can't bitch and moan on the main page anymore?

[Vilmah]

I'm tired of people taking the time and effort to post stories here (if you look, the Legends/Journals/Bio sections are still getting many RP posts daily), but all I hear is "waah, RP is dead on this server".


Indeed.`

[Bellsa]

I fail to see how out of character chatter distracts from the rp. Are people really that easily sidetracked? It seems like it's just something to use as a possible excuse to avoid doing some reading. After all, just because you see cnn on doesn't mean you can't switch over to HBO. Just because you're eating cake doesn't mean you ignore the ice cream. If people want to post in character, then they will if they have the time to do so. If they're really, honestly, that easily taken away from it just because the chatter is there then there are probably other things distracting them too...like that dog they're making out of erasers and thumb tacks. You can't force people to pay attention. They have to want to.

[Irontoe]

Are people really that easily sidetracked?

...yes.

[Imara]

...yes.

QFT

I think this is a lot of stressing over nothing. With the format change to the social groups awhile back, they allow for just as much freedom to communicate as any other forum. It takes a couple more clicks to get to them but that means that you -won't- have to have mods endlessly policing them. Only the people that want to read that content will be there to begin with.

And Mortica is 100% right. People kept complaining that there's no RP... But there is. Every time I log in there are new posts in the RP sections. It's just that people were too busy weighing in on new drama in News of the Personal to see it. >.<

[Lisbet]

*Cuddles Mallori*


That's all I have to contribute to this thread!

[Persefani]

If you want social, get facebook. If you want RP, get TNG.

Hell, getting rid of the Warhammer forums is the way to get rid of me since I would never go back to WoW. I think this is all the right move to refocus these forums and remove poeple that do not have the right interetests at heart for this forum community.

[Malorii]

Oh, yeah. Maybe Sorry Kaldore. And if it was I am totally not sorry!

I'll go ahead and delete that post, there are to many mals here. Sorry! >.<

[Kaldore]

Yeah, I was talking about Malebrignon who moderates that wild west of independent thought and adult conversation.

[Malorii]

Oh gosh I'm so sorry Kaldore, no excuse for ripping into you like that when you didn't deserve it. Please don't hate me. It was uncalled for me to jump like that. I fully apologize.

[Gorvena]

We call him Brig to avoid confusion.

[Kaldore]

I didn't even read the post!

Was it a long overdue text-based roflstomping? OOOH! Did you do one of your famous pictures, only this time of my monkey being dipped in rancid grease and wombat shit with his sidearm crammed up his simian ass?!

WHAT WAS IT, PLLLLLLOX TELL ME!!!!

[Malorii]

Please... Everyone knows I don't use wombats..








It was otters..



I'll send you the details in a pm. I don't want to side track this anymore, because pretty soon I'm going to go on one of those hippie love tangents where I tell everyone on the forums I love all of them for bringing their differences togeather and the way that there is one of those bonds thingies that they talk about on lifetime channell.

[Vaaldis]

So, I said I was going to give my two cents & here they are...

I may be new, but being apart of this community I'd like to think I have a valid opinion :)
This can be very good, & also very bad at the same time. Good, because those that RP will be focusing on only RP. Great, but what about the personal connections? What about the new comers, such as myself, who would like to get to know people better OOC?

As for the 'you can make social groups' argument, I don't feel comfortable joining a social group with a bunch of people I don't know & I'm sure others don't as well.

I see now that the discussions forum has been made, & it seems like a great idea. But what did that fix? Drama is still going to drift over there. Drama is everywhere, on every game, every website, everyones RL. All you can do is ignore it, & if you can't ignore drama that's a whole different issue.

Oh, & please spare me the 'You're new, you don't fully understand what was going on in the drama forums.' because I saw plenty of topics deleted. One of which was mine because I was apparently QQing about downtime, when really I was just seeing what everyone was up to.

Now that I said what I wanted to say, lets see how the Discussions forum goes :)

[opalexian]

And Mortica is 100% right. People kept complaining that there's no RP... But there is. Every time I log in there are new posts in the RP sections. It's just that people were too busy weighing in on new drama in News of the Personal to see it. >.<

If that's the case tho that's a problem with personal brain damage-their eyes will still wander, just to a different forum, or porn, or something. And they'll still complain there's no RP. To which everyone needs to reply 'WE ARE HIDING IT ALL FROM YOU IN THE NETHER LEGENDS FORUM WHICH IS PASSWORD PROTECTED.' Then you wait to see if they actually check. >_>

[Ellsbeth]

This is so good! I had the miscellaneous forums minimised and only checked them out to see what thread had been deleted.

And! WOOH!

Hope this isn't an April Fool's Joke. Cause it's awesome.

[Malebrignon]

We call him Brig to avoid confusion.

The judges will also accept "Briggy" and "Briggers". It does help eliminate a "Mal".

We've got the discussions forum now. I've been authorized to slice away at it as necessary to keep things on-topic, intelligent, and civil. I think it will be a happy "middle-ground" for us all.

[Redemptio]

Um, by the time I got to this thread it was almost +/- six pages wrong so I don't know if this was answered already or not.


Like the "adult Forms" will the other forms be taken off after a while, making it impossible to see old posts and what not?

[Nadea]

I was looking at an old picture of TNG (I took a print screen the day I saw 1337 posts in the forum >.>), and in it, there were a few forums. There was the General WoW discussions, The Nether Legends for stories, the Inferno Central (which, for those that haven't been here long enough, was the place to go to bitch about things, pvp or otherwise, that the rest of the forums didn't HAVE to click on to read about. The QQ section, more or less). And then there were the Suggestion Forums and the Misc Forum. That was it. Simple, yet more designed for the WoW part of the forums. The RP.

I support the collapsing of all of these non-WoW forums. Bringing it back to a simple, one forum for things that don't have to do with the game. Its a happy medium between being here for RP, and being here for community. It worked in the past, when the site was new. The explosion of newcomers was what provoked the "lets have more OOC forums!", and quite frankly, it was a change for the worse. So what if we lose a few people because there's less of the "general foruming" section? This site is here for RP, WoW discussions, and THEN getting to know folks OOC. Plus, with the addition of Blogs and Social groups, there really should be no NEED for more than one Misc. type forum. If folks really need that much out-of-game interaction, they can look through groups and read blogs, and stop being lazy about it. The News of the Personal being gone is a blessing, imo.

[Gorymoru]

It's time for Gory pennies!

I've all but migrated from Twisting Nether to servers where RP is much more common. I got tired of having to hunt it, and after a one month forced regression from WoW, I found that I was even more alienated from TN RP as a whole than before. Admittedly, I am not on all the time on TN like I used to be, but even still, I do miss some of the storylines my various alts were once part of.

Granted, a lot happens in a month, so I'm not upset that I got left behind in the storyline. Now that has no relevance whatsoever, I think, to this discussion...so I'll cover my ass with this.

I enjoyed the OOC forums...but to be quite frank, they did indeed suck my attention away from what truly mattered, the RP forums. I haven't so much as written a sentence in Zorael's story, and to be honest, I've been thinking of revising his history by a large amount. As I get more and more involved with RP on MG and WrA...I realize I do not want to be grouped with those who decide to play races that are logically impossible...((-coughs- 95% of the realms)).

So, in conclusion, I fully support this change to the site.

-Gory stamp of approval-

[Raziel]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7228/50217426.gif

I need to make Buttons.

[Ulroci]

Meh. I guess it doesn't matter. It's gonna choke the OOC posting off altogether unless the Discussion section is its replacement, but it's just my opinion.

[Lisbet]

The discussions forum is for DISCUSSIONS. We have a blog feature for personal stuff.