Should there be pvp gear for more specs now?

[Leyujin]

Question was on my mind and I wanted to bring it up. The subject is relevant to me because with WotLK my favorite warrior spec is now prot. Yes I didn't have to deal with all the terrible horrors of prot in vanilla and TBC. The fact is now, prot has viability in pvp; something which was completely unheard of before the pre-expansion patch. While it does not work in the traditional pvp roles of either damage/burst or healing, it does have vast utility, and also the highest mobility of any of the warrior pvp trees...

Blizzard has stated that they're moving away from strait-jacketing trees to be only for certain roles. Prot is at least one tree that has pvp viability now. The current pvp armor is ill-suited for prot spec pvp though, as many say they perform much better stacking sbv... and overall our survivability is decent enough that resilience is less useful than it is for other specs. Should there be pvp armor for prot warriors? Prot paladins? Holy priests? Resto shamans? Where should it end, or should it begin at all?

[Tiraline]

Blizzard has stated that they're moving away from strait-jacketing trees to be only for certain roles. Prot is at least one tree that has pvp viability now. The current pvp armor is ill-suited for prot spec pvp though, as many say they perform much better stacking sbv... and overall our survivability is decent enough that resilience is less useful than it is for other specs. Should there be pvp armor for prot warriors? Prot paladins? Holy priests? Resto shamans? Where should it end, or should it begin at all?

I watched a 70 prot pally royally mess over a 77 elem shaman in a duel last night. Prot is VERY viable in both classes now, I daresay--and would concur that there should be PvP gear to match that viability.

[Feorn]

Blizzard has stated that they're moving away from strait-jacketing trees to be only for certain roles. Prot is at least one tree that has pvp viability now. The current pvp armor is ill-suited for prot spec pvp though, as many say they perform much better stacking sbv... and overall our survivability is decent enough that resilience is less useful than it is for other specs. Should there be pvp armor for prot warriors? Prot paladins? Holy priests? Resto shamans? Where should it end, or should it begin at all?

There's already a holy priest set. Spirit is not an amazing stat for disc priests. People would stil just stack the two sets for the resil bonus anyway, for healers anyway. Also, as far as I know resto shaman is THE shaman PvP spec and there is a gear set for it.

[Leyujin]

My bad. I haven't played for a few months, and you're right. Still lacking prot war and pally pvp sets though.

[Kained]

If your pvping as prot your probably making it a nightmare for other people to kill you causing QQ

In that case blizzard probably wont do it since people cant instagib you, Either way Prot scales much better in PvE gear.

[Yatokth]

A mix is what most prot warriors recommend.

Get some PvP gear for the extra crit (lacking on PvE tank gear) and then EVERYTHING else put SBV on.

Basically, stack SBV and Crit, and all the stats that come with those two are just icing on the cake.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Alloraan

A crazy prot warrior who is 2k+ in all brackets, or he was before he started a new 3s. Regardless, he's 2400+ in 2s and 5s.

He's in full PvE gear, so you could still use that, but he might be in his raid suit, I seem to remember him having some PvP. Could be wrong.

Try both, see what works.

[Kained]

A mix is what most prot warriors recommend.

Get some PvP gear for the extra crit (lacking on PvE tank gear) and then EVERYTHING else put SBV on.

Basically, stack SBV and Crit, and all the stats that come with those two are just icing on the cake.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Alloraan

A crazy prot warrior who is 2k+ in all brackets, or he was before he started a new 3s. Regardless, he's 2400+ in 2s and 5s.

He's in full PvE gear, so you could still use that, but he might be in his raid suit, I seem to remember him having some PvP. Could be wrong.

Try both, see what works.



That guys fury

[Yatokth]

That guys fury

INCORRECT SIR.

LOOK AGAIN.

[Anthek]

INCORRECT SIR.

LOOK AGAIN.

Just because he's Prot now doesn't mean he PvP's with that spec, which is definitely a tanking spec, anyway.

[Yatokth]

Just because he's Prot now doesn't mean he PvP's with that spec, which is definitely a tanking spec, anyway.

He's posted on Arena Junkies, he plays Prot in all brackets.

[Okhu]

So you could raid with this spec as MT.. and PVP like that huh? :o... *chinrub*

[Peritous]

I've found it to be very situational. In arena's if I'm in pve gear I don't hit hard enough to burst anyone down (piss poor rage gen) though my pve gear absolutely demolishes meleers when they actually bother to fight me.

Here's the thing. I'm prot. I can demolish meleers in any gear. I use pvp gear for the resil and crit, sure I lose about 3k hp but shaving almost 20% crit damage off my damage taken, plus being specced into blood craze in my pvp spec makes up for it. PvP gear really shines against the cloth classes who can kite and snare us. I don't think prot pvp is about stacking burst damage personally, I think it's about control. You have stuns and silences and mobility galore, you've got 12 second charges and 25 second intercept and intervene to break roots and snares along with a trinket and spell reflect you can pretty much never get totally locked down. I find that with mostly pvp gear and a few pieces of pve tanking gear in the spots I don't have good replacements, I can both keep my crit high enough to have good rage gen and have enough BV to hit hard with my money maker attack.

[Swerto]

There's already a holy priest set. Spirit is not an amazing stat for disc priests. People would stil just stack the two sets for the resil bonus anyway, for healers anyway. Also, as far as I know resto shaman is THE shaman PvP spec and there is a gear set for it.
Prot pallies are bull shit. I can't hurt them yet my entire health bar is gone. OP I say, OP.

[Fhenrir]

You are a melee class incapable of healing. A tanking build from any of the 4 tank classes is going to destroy you 1-on-1.

[Swerto]

Fury can heal... 30% of it's own health over 10 secons (40 if you have glyph, which no fury/arms warrior should) plus whatever I get from bloodthirst

It's just a prot pally completely owns me because I can do NO DAMAGE to them. And if I do they heal it right off in an instant. It's like I'm trying to kill a T-rex with a fly swatter.

[Fhenrir]

Enraged Regeneration is a 3-minute cooldown and spotty at best. Bloodthirst healing is also gimpy. In addition, you're dual wielding, which means you take extra damage from their ret aura/Holy shield, and have reduced chances to hit. Prot paladins shouldn't even lose to fury warriors 1v1.

Anyway, let's get this back on topic. I'm personally of the opinion that every spec should be supported with the PvP gearing system, but honestly they've done a horrible job of supporting any class that uses a weapon right now compared to just blowing through Naxx 25. The two-handers and caster weapons are immensely superior than anything you can get this season.

[Yatokth]

Enraged Regeneration is a 3-minute cooldown and spotty at best. Bloodthirst healing is also gimpy. In addition, you're dual wielding, which means you take extra damage from their ret aura/Holy shield, and have reduced chances to hit. Prot paladins shouldn't even lose to fury warriors 1v1.

Anyway, let's get this back on topic. I'm personally of the opinion that every spec should be supported with the PvP gearing system, but honestly they've done a horrible job of supporting any class that uses a weapon right now compared to just blowing through Naxx 25. The two-handers and caster weapons are immensely superior than anything you can get this season.

And also easier to get in general.

It's retarded.

And yeah, if you're a Warrior, never expect to beat a Prot Paladin, a tank DK, or a tank-geared Feral Druid... ever.

I can beat Prot Warriors though.

[Swerto]

Prot warriors I sit 50/50 with right now. I win half the time.

I had a better chance when I was arms due to bladestorm and it's epicness.

[Skaadvik]

I have always loved prot pvp on my UD warrior. Much respect for that arena prot warr. That's really awesome.

[Lailinarel]

Prot warriors I sit 50/50 with right now. I win half the time.

I had a better chance when I was arms due to bladestorm and it's epicness.

Then they are bad bad bad prot warriors...

Shield block > Bladestorm and on a shorter CD.

Pallies, regardless of spec have always been the warriors bane, prot is just by a long shot the worst because they have such a high block chance and ignore your armor on the counter attacks + passive damage from you hitting them. If they lose they aren't doin it right... (Sword and board is where you stand the best chance cause shield slam dispel is your best friend against a pally in my experience.)

Back on topic! Fhenrir pretty much hit the nail on the head. It buggers the hell out of me that you can get better pvp gear from running 25 mans than you can from honor grinding without having a high rating. And lets face it, high arena ratings don't just happen for the player who isn't serious about arenas on some level or another. So despite the fact that I'm grinding to justicar, I fight pve scrubs who have no fucking clue what they're doing and have to put in the extra effort to kill them simply cause they ran a ton of 25 mans and I don't. That bothers me considerably more than the lack of a prot specific pvp set.