Official "Playing a healer sucks" Thread

[Fhenrir]

Topic.


My 2cp is that this is exactly how season 1 was at 70, and anyone who is genuinely surprised by how things are now didn't participate in much PvP at all at 70, or lacks foresight.

PvE gear will dominate until PvP gear is actually worth using, and since PvE gear is more accessible than ever, there are going to be more people using it and dominating with it.


I feel for non-paladin healers trying to arena right now, because as is if you aren't a paladin or don't have access to a BoP, you aren't going to last long. I've seen some RMPs and Shaman + BM and Arcane Mage burst teams doing alright too, but that relys on a very specific makeup/strat to succeed.

However, since I've said it enough to be blue in the face, this won't last. I predict a universal change/buff to resilience to scale down PvP damage going out as people acquire more gear. So if you're a healer dead set on only being a healer, I'd recommend having some patience and giving one of those DPS specs a go in the meantime. They're surprisingly fun.

Unless you're a paladin. Then you should be getting your easy Glad title. :D

[Advurb]

I actually think Priests are going to take the fore when it comes to non-Paladin healers... I'll be interested to see how RMP does.

[Yatokth]

Disc Priests are doing surprisingly well in 2v2 as long as rogues aren't involved.

Still nothing like they were, but better than others. I think priests will be strong too, especially next season.

[Tsu]

rshaman will be ridiculous when resil goes up, mark my words.

druid has me sad, and as such I will probably never heal in pvp with it again unless the state of things drastically change so that you dont sit in bear or tree 99% of the time soaking damage.

[Skaadvik]

I hear all this talk about Holy Paladins being amazing, but to be honest, I'm not really seeing it. It's partially to do with the simple fact that I'm relatively inexperienced as a full-time PvP healer, for one thing. I was shockadin for all of my 70 pvp career until they ruined it, so this is relatively new to me. I believe that the good ones are doing amazing right now, it just makes sense. Plate and bubbles are a pretty passable surrogate for high resilience.

[Yatokth]

I hear all this talk about Holy Paladins being amazing, but to be honest, I'm not really seeing it. It's partially to do with the simple fact that I'm relatively inexperienced as a full-time PvP healer, for one thing. I was shockadin for all of my 70 pvp career until they ruined it, so this is relatively new to me. I believe that the good ones are doing amazing right now, it just makes sense. Plate and bubbles are a pretty passable surrogate for high resilience.

Here's why. (http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=05230050203000200000000000050352050310132 0531025012000000000000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000)

Or something like that, I'm not a pally spec guru.

[Fhenrir]

This (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxAbxhdhVuMxRoZVfMxd00b) is the holy build I've been running. Yat has most of the important stuff down.

PvP Holy skips Bacon in favor of grabbing Divine Purpose, so that you can break stuns on yourself or your teammates. Bacon doesn't serve a reliable purpose in arenas anywhere near as often as that does, along with the fact that you don't tend to spend a lot of time casting long spells like Holy Light anyway (Holy Shock spam ftw).

[Yatokth]

This (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxAbxhdhVuMxRoZVfMxd00b) is the holy build I've been running. Yat has most of the important stuff down.

PvP Holy skips Bacon in favor of grabbing Divine Purpose, so that you can break stuns on yourself or your teammates. Bacon doesn't serve a reliable purpose in arenas anywhere near as often as that does, along with the fact that you don't tend to spend a lot of time casting long spells like Holy Light anyway (Holy Shock spam ftw).

Why no sanctified seals for the extra crit?

And no dispel resist on HoF?

[Fhenrir]

You know... that's a good point on Sanctified Seals. I think I'll start grabbing that.

Having looked it over initially I only figured it was a net crit boost for offensive spells, but even that wouldn't be bad. I must test if it also effects heals.

I'll also probably drop the one point in JotW for a point in Blessed Hands for additional dispel resist on HoF and HoP, but otherwise I don't really wanna lose the Stun, Fear, Curse, or Disease reduction. I love those talents.

[Skaadvik]

I did NOT realize you could use that to get yourself out of stuns as well... thank you for your pertinent advice.

[Sanrin]

Yeah I gotta say I like Yat's build way more for pvp healing. Being a paladin healer is just a matter of timing, and keeping within your teams range, once you've got both down you're set to go.

[Advurb]

Being a paladin healer is just a matter of pressing hop and bubble, once you've got both down you're set to go.

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[Keraph]

I have run into a very painful "holy pally/holy pally" 2v2 team, where they both have Bacon of Light and are keeping it up on each other. In full holy gear the judgements and holy shocks are definately noticable damage, and whenever either of them heals each other, they both get healing and mana from it. So while they're not doing rediculous burst, splitting damage was nowhere near enough to drop them, and focusing on one just gave the other free reign on healing (Our only available CC was easily cleansable). Fights took a while, but they won.

[Skaadvik]

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No, this is not true. If it were I wouldn't have come in here talking about how I get pwnt in arenas now would I? I'll give that Holy Paladins have an edge right now, but the extent to which they're OP isn't nearly as great as some classes have had for extended periods of time in the past. We've always had bubble.

[Naheal]

I'm deffinately noticing a marked improvement in Holy recently, especially in reguards to self defense (you can actually reliably put out some good damage now. And without blowing CDs to boot!). I'm also seeing a great deal of Holy Paladins (both PvE and PvP now) running with a Holy/Ret spec for that additional 8% crit. And, the numbers don't lie. It works beautifully.

[Fhenrir]

I'm deffinately noticing a marked improvement in Holy recently, especially in reguards to self defense (you can actually reliably put out some good damage now. And without blowing CDs to boot!). I'm also seeing a great deal of Holy Paladins (both PvE and PvP now) running with a Holy/Ret spec for that additional 8% crit. And, the numbers don't lie. It works beautifully.

The Ret spec is also largely for Divine Purpose. The extra stun break on yourself or your teammates is huge.

[Naheal]

The Ret spec is also largely for Divine Purpose. The extra stun break on yourself or your teammates is huge.

I'm noticing that. I take it that the stun break works much better then being able to multi-target heal does right now, right?

[Fhenrir]

Yep. Bacon is very situational in areas.

I really love it in BGs though.

[Naheal]

Maybe when I bring my pally back to this server, I'll spec him holy for a while just to give it a shot.