How is this fair?

[Advurb]

A 71 Protadin comes at my 75 DK. He has no abnormal buffs.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/Rahnzakh/WoWScrnShot_112508_211700.jpg

[Yatokth]

A 71 Protadin comes at my 75 DK. He has no abnormal buffs.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/Rahnzakh/WoWScrnShot_112508_211700.jpg

stack holy resist imo.

[Advurb]

His 1h melee swing HIT me for 1k! ON PLATE 4 LEVELS ABOVE HIM!!

/headdesk

[Chikt]

As I stated in another topic, as you level up you gain less values from your gear while people closer to 70 get a lot more benefit from gear. Thus somebody at level 70 (or close to it) can do a lot more damage to somebody a higher level than them.

[Roth'rili]

O.o /rerolls prot now

[opalexian]

I guess the obvious answer would be to keep a 70ish toon handy to go counter gank people who are being douches to you....


....yeah. -_-

[Lisbet]

What Dio said. This expansion, instead of piling on MORE stats and damage on everyone so that we're doing outragious amounts of damage for no good reason, they've decided that stats will degrade the higher you get, so you actually need the stupid high levels of such things to equal what you had at 70.

Examples - my Spell Crit was at 15% when I was level 70. At 79, my crit is 8%.

- My heath was 10.3k at 70, and even with two new pieces of gear with shittons of stamina on it and the extra 1-2 stam you get with each new level? 11k.

- Diminishing returns on spirit that is less effective for healers means stacking as much intellect as spirit to balance them out.

Stats mean less the higher you get, and you'll need a lot more of them in order to see a difference. Diminishing returns on spirit that is less effective for healers means stacking as much intellect as spirit to balance them out.

[Agnarr]

Don't blame diminishing rating returns on this expansion. They changed it for the last expansion, when they changed things from 1% crit to 10 crit rating.

[Xaraphyne]

It's true, they did the same thing for BC. The idea is that you'll have to get new gear, rather than sticking to your level 60 epics and still being able to beat everything, but they don't want to get to ridiculous stats either (like 50%+ crit). That's the idea anyway, if someone has an issue with the game being a gear grind, don't take it up with me!

[Zorric]

As I stated in another topic, as you level up you gain less values from your gear while people closer to 70 get a lot more benefit from gear. Thus somebody at level 70 (or close to it) can do a lot more damage to somebody a higher level than them.

+1 this.

This is why I always keep an eye out for good armor in the Auction House. I tend to upgrade my armor every two or three levels, as much as I can. While most people can't do this, I am lucky enough to know how to "play" the auction house.

I can't tell you how many times I've been whined at from people I've beaten who are three to six levels higher than me. I take a look at their armor, and it's stuff they had ten or even more levels ago!

[Theodary Thelo]

As I stated in another topic, as you level up you gain less values from your gear while people closer to 70 get a lot more benefit from gear. Thus somebody at level 70 (or close to it) can do a lot more damage to somebody a higher level than them.

Also, this is only true if they're wearing the same gear. If the higher level had gear proportional to their level, this would not be the case.

Of course there's no proportional equivalent to level 70 epics at levels 71-75... so really, you can only go down in damage/healing/stats output until the default ilvl for your level's gear catches up.

[Akuje]

That happened because post 72-DK's are no longer OPed and tend to be underpowered, unless you know how to play them, and you sir clearly do not know how to play one.

[Moknim]

Also, this is only true if they're wearing the same gear. If the higher level had gear proportional to their level, this would not be the case.

Of course there's no proportional equivalent to level 70 epics at levels 71-75... so really, you can only go down in damage/healing/stats output until the default ilvl for your level's gear catches up.

This.

Think if you were on your 70 toon, in full epics, fighting someone (even at 75) that was in quest greens/blues. No challenge.

[NotMaithanet]

actually, I'm going to throw in that he's exploting in some way because I have NEVER hit a Hammer of the Righteous over 2.5k

Shield of the Righteous I got to 3k however.

Also, that string of Crits, from a Protadin? NO way.

[Akuje]

What I find interesting, is that character doesn't exist on Twisting Nether.. in fact he doesn't exist on any server.. I smell conspiracy.

[NotMaithanet]

What buff is Lok-ragar?

[nandien]

It's a wintergrasp buff. It also shows him getting tenacity, possibly accounting for the high damage.

[Keraph]

If HE was the one getting tenacity though, wouldn't he be the one hitting for rediculous damage?

[Advurb]

I was alt tabbed when this happened, Akuje.
I heard him hit the HotR and tabbed back in just in time to get 2shotted.

[Advurb]

What I find interesting, is that character doesn't exist on Twisting Nether.. in fact he doesn't exist on any server.. I smell conspiracy.

Are you blind?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Kamorn

[Akuje]

Are you blind?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&n=Kamorn

Apparantly so, the letter looks like Kamom in the log.. and there is infact no kamom..

So, you are alt tabbed, he has better stats then you and hits you from behind.. What is odd is his gear is junk... so it makes no sense.

Oh well, you got AFKowned..

[nandien]

If HE was the one getting tenacity though, wouldn't he be the one hitting for rediculous damage?

Good catch, I fail at reading...

[Advurb]

So, you are alt tabbed, he has better stats then you and hits you from behind.. What is odd is his gear is junk... so it makes no sense.

Oh well, you got AFKowned..

Meh, I posted this more out of shock and puzzlement than anger, but I guess I'm going to take criticism from trash no matter what the sentiment is.

[Akuje]

Meh, I posted this more out of shock and puzzlement than anger, but I guess I'm going to take criticism from trash no matter what the sentiment is.

Eh, where was the Criticism? One was a joking jab, the other is a explanation of the circumstance. Statistically his gear is better, the stats give him greater benefit then you. He hits you from behind ensure there is no chance of not hitting you, and you are afk, so, you got afk owned.

Now what I do now have a problem with is the fact you feel the need to call me Trash... I expect a apology forthright...

[Advurb]

Where was the criticism?


That happened because post 72-DK's are no longer OPed and tend to be underpowered, unless you know how to play them, and you sir clearly do not know how to play one.

No apology will be given. But I digress...

Thanks folks for the info. I don't usually read up on theorycraft of any kind but I'm surprised that I hadn't picked up on that by now.

[NotMaithanet]

STILL calling BS on those numbers Adverb. Something is up with that.

[Ellsbeth]

If this is in Wintergrasp...

Doesn't the lower number faction get extra damage when they are outnumbered?

So one good paladin can destroy a dozen horde just because it bases the number of people who are in the area as the percentage of crit/damage buffs that it doles out?

[NotMaithanet]

If this is in Wintergrasp...

Doesn't the lower number faction get extra damage when they are outnumbered?

So one good paladin can destroy a dozen horde just because it bases the number of people who are in the area as the percentage of crit/damage buffs that it doles out?

Did not know this.

If so then... Ouch.

[Ellsbeth]

Taken from WoWWiki


Being a world PvP zone, Wintergrasp has the possibility of numbers imbalance between the sides, possibly quite severe. This is countered by a buff called "tenacity" This buff increases the health, regen, healing, and damage of the players that have it. The more the imbalance, the higher the buff. You can very well see cloth characters with 50,000 or more HP in the event of a large imbalance.

If you have tenacity, you need to use it to your advantage. You are more powerful than normal and need to play as such. In particular, acting as basic infantry and attacking an enemy vehicle and lead to it being destroyed very quickly.

If you are facing tenacity, you want to avoid direct conflict with enemy players when possible. Use your numbers to your advantage and focus fire, it'll take multiple people to take one of the enemy out. Remember the buff applies to their vehicles too.

Also Malakim told me that there are a ton of Horde who afk out in the area which affects the tenacity buff for the Alliance as well. So it takes all the fun out of it because people are sitting on their ass and ruining the buff for the Horde. Cheers to the Alliance though!

[Advurb]

That would explain it.

And yeah Maith I can't blame you for calling BS, I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't ridiculous.

[Kaliera]

Tenacity is the first thing I looked for in that screenshot. Apparantly, Advurb's character was the one with said buff, not the paladin.

[Ellsbeth]

Tenacity is the first thing I looked for in that screenshot. Apparantly, Advurb's character was the one with said buff, not the paladin.

Ah woops. There goes that idea.

[Raziel]

that's an R?
It looks like an M on your Text
RN != M
rn = m

[Rand_Shea]

And people say I'm overly sensitive... but moving on...

I took a brief jaunt through wintergrasp on my priest when she was 79 and exploring... Alliance were outnumbered by a 2:1 ratio, or so it seemed, and horde were having a not-easy time cutting them down. I guess the equalizer buffing for that zone explains that.

Also... consider that important stats on my priest are at least 1.5 to 2 times what they were at 70, yet when running heroics, I'm actually finding it harder at this point to run heroics with the current gear I have than I did at 70 and first starting out on them. Maybe the dungeons are just harder, but I think that proportionally... the system was that I had more for that level than I do now.

Keep in mind, things are still new and it's going to take getting used to... just because you're 80 doesn't mean you're going to have the power and prowess that you did when you were 70 and playing for months with your only concern being getting +5 more of some stat by getting a new epic.

[Irontoe]

And people say I'm overly sensitive...

Yes, you are. But moving on...

I too have notice that my raw stats (dodge, crit, parry) are crap compared to what they were at 70. But I'm willing to just run the dungeons I need to get some decent gear. I figure I can get to where I was at 70 in about a month of casual play. I mean Jesus, the next expansion isn't coming out for two years -- I'll be gone by then, I hope -- and I'm a patient man.

[Qabian]

I've had similar experiences. I like to brush it off as I'm wearing nil for armor, no hitpoints, and no PvP related stats, despite having a level advantage, but I'm of the mind that the trade-off is supposed to be that if you can wear plate, and heal yourself, and have an invincible bubble, you get to do crap ass damage because you live forever while you do it, not do more damage than what I'm supposed to be getting in exchange for stupid long casting times and no armor whatsoever. Wearing plate, healing yourself, having an invincible bubble, and obliterating everything in your path while doing all of the above without casting times and while on the move just... well, that's the question.

Yes, the gear disparity in stat ratings from people who geared well before the expansion will definitely make some of the difference, especially against DKs who had no such opportunity, which in this situation accounts for the crits, but not really the base damage. Here's hoping things even out over time.

[Naheal]

As I stated in another thread, prot is an extremely hard-hitting spec for PvP right now.

[opalexian]

As I stated in another thread, prot is an extremely hard-hitting spec for PvP right now.


That's sending a really weird message. What, is holy the tanking spec now? Ret seems to be better for healing...

[Naheal]

That's sending a really weird message. What, is holy the tanking spec now? Ret seems to be better for healing...

You can tank in PvP?

And, prot hits hard, but it doesn't have the tools that ret or holy has.