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Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 08:47 AM

I am considering a major retcon of my character. Now normally, this would be my own business and I wouldn't bother posting here.

But I wanted to know people's opinions on the basis of my character. Please, for the love of god, say it exactly like you think. I wont care, and I'll be thankful for the honesty since I want a character that would be accepted by even more elitist RPers.

For anyone who doesn't know, which is most people, my character is a Dragon. But I don't say he shapeshifted into a Tauren. I've stated Arkaydos is a small green dragon runt, and I have a emerald whelpling pet follow my character around.

I say that he controls a mindless Tauren to disguise himself, since as a Whelp he would naturally come under attack by poachers and such frequently, and did. Before you ask, there ARE specific reasons why he chose a Tauren, why he chose the Horde, and why he can't choose again (He did it once and the book he used for it was burned afterwards).

He is both runted in size (to that of a whelpling) and power (to that of a normal humanoid).

But lately, I've encountered a large amount of anti-dragon sentiment, which I never saw before. I'm now seeing it labeled as cliche, and I would rather quit RP altogether then have a cliched character.

So is the basis of this character cliche, in your guys' opinions? Would it be more acceptable if I retconned it to a normal Tauren?

Lisbet

11-07-2008, 08:52 AM

Lelenia

11-07-2008, 09:02 AM

Broxigan

11-07-2008, 09:04 AM

People say it is cliche to be a dragon because of a few things. EVERYBODY wants to be a dragon, in a world where there are dragons. It mostly stems from 12 year olds who have no sort of imagination and just want to be a half dragon/half elf.

In Warcraft, dragons are considered some of the most powerful things on the planet. They are guardians over just about anything and everything so when someone comes along and claims to be a dragon/related to a dragon/born from a dragon one of the first thoughts that comes to mind is "LOLPOWER".The warcraft dragons were not really mean to be playable characters [yet] and it just strikes nerves of the lore nerds [like myself] when given the rich world that has been given to us, that people go straight for the dragons.

With that said; no, your character is not cliche. It is rather neat and a first time to see something like this for myself. One thing you have going for you is that you are not doing that half/quarter/eighth dragon thing that is SO common in ANY fantasy RP outside of WoW.

Personally, I would keep going. Do what you like. I do like the idea and the fact that the whelp that follows you is in fact YOU acting through the Taurens body. You have found a very unique and lore-filled way to do this. Keep on truckin'.

Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 09:21 AM

NO. don't change something so creative just because someone is being a dick. You are a dragon, but you are not a "dragon walking around as an elf" or a "half dragon elf" or a "half human half elf half dragon" or "dragon vampyre prince of azeroth"

Being a dragon that controls a tauren is pretty awesome. Keep it, and screw those other people.

Wait, is your tauren a druid? Because an emerald welpling controling a druid would be even more badd ass.

That being said, its just a game, if people are that hung up on something unique, its probably because they didn't think of it first.

Thanks for the reply!

No one in particular (At least no one I am ready to point a finger at) actually confronted me about this. And certainly no one who knew the full situation. What made me really consider this was a lot that I've seen said on the subject of dragon characters in the RP/Lore discussion threads here.

And yes, he's a drood :)

People say it is cliche to be a dragon because of a few things. EVERYBODY wants to be a dragon, in a world where there are dragons. It mostly stems from 12 year olds who have no sort of imagination and just want to be a half dragon/half elf.

In Warcraft, dragons are considered some of the most powerful things on the planet. They are guardians over just about anything and everything so when someone comes along and claims to be a dragon/related to a dragon/born from a dragon one of the first thoughts that comes to mind is "LOLPOWER".The warcraft dragons were not really mean to be playable characters [yet] and it just strikes nerves of the lore nerds [like myself] when given the rich world that has been given to us, that people go straight for the dragons.

With that said; no, your character is not cliche. It is rather neat and a first time to see something like this for myself. One thing you have going for you is that you are not doing that half/quarter/eighth dragon thing that is SO common in ANY fantasy RP outside of WoW.

Personally, I would keep going. Do what you like. I do like the idea and the fact that the whelp that follows you is in fact YOU acting through the Taurens body. You have found a very unique and lore-filled way to do this. Keep on truckin'.

Different or not, I still feel like if everyone wants to be a dragon, I'm almost being cliche by also trying for it, even if some people think I'm doing it in a way where I can pull it off.

So as far as retconning or not, I think it boils down to...

Do I want to be non-cliche,
Or do I want to be cliche in a unique way (Or unique in a cliche way?). Not that I'll call myself unique or anything...

And thanks for the last paragraph, glad to see someone thinking that about my idea.

I think that's an amazingly creative, wonderful idea. Screw those guys. Keep it going. I think a lot of people want to be dragons, but you found a way to make it work in a unique way. Don't begrudge yourself that!

Thanks! Its appreciated, I spent a long time evolving the character idea and I hated feeling the need to scrap it.

Xaraphyne

11-07-2008, 09:27 AM

Oh yeah, I remember seeing your description in game. I thought it was a cute idea.

But being able to RP with you? I'll be honest, it'd be a little difficult.

Most everyone settles for normal trolls, humans, elves, whatever. They don't try and come up with completely different and unique attributes, because that's seen as cliche no matter what it is. This dislike for cliches tends to come from people being resentful that someone wants their character to be inherently "special", without "earning" it.

Personally, to me, it's just that I'd have to treat you differently than most other characters because your concept is so different, and that's a turn-off for me. It's like my character will be forced to react a certain way, almost, either to the tauren's strangeness or upon finding out the truth should that occur.

Broxigan

11-07-2008, 09:27 AM

And yes, he's a drood :)

This right here ends the discussion.

Druids are connected with the Emerald Dream [Nightmare?] and the whelpling that you are is controlling a Druid. You could say that the druid he is controlling walked the Emerald Dream and had lost himself to it. So his body, in it's prime, was left behind with no spirit to fill it. The undead aspect is neat, but the idea of a green flight whelp using the body of a druid who lost his way in the dream just makes me wiggle with delight. But that is me. XD

Everything fits, in my opinion. You AREN'T doing the half breed stuff. You are playing out exactly as a member of the green flight would.

Sifar

11-07-2008, 10:00 AM

Arkaydos, I think you've come up with a really neat idea and very workable way to RP it. I'm with the others giving you a thumbs up to keep going.

On a related note:

Personally, to me, it's just that I'd have to treat you differently than most other characters because your concept is so different, and that's a turn-off for me. It's like my character will be forced to react a certain way, almost, either to the tauren's strangeness or upon finding out the truth should that occur.
In my opinion, this is just something that comes with RP. While Arkaydos may push people a little further than others, I think any character with unique qualities does this. I enjoy figuring out how Sifar reacts to the more unusual characters and creatures that inhabit this world we create. Certainly, she doesn't like them all as she has an inherent distrust of anything magical which may lead to me avoiding RP with some folks. However, I have other characters who would embrace it.

Lisbet

11-07-2008, 10:06 AM

I think my Alishondra may have a new friend in miss Sifar >.> Moar raiding! Maybe less Ecterun though, we've been picking on him pretty hard core and he's trying to be a big man with a potty mouth to make the guys back off a little *grin*

ON TOPIC - My druid probably would LOVE to meet your little green whelpling controlling a tauren.. mostly because Mae's weird and likes weird things ;D Keep doing what your doing, and don't be pt off by people who can't rp around you ;p

Xaraphyne

11-07-2008, 10:40 AM

In my opinion, this is just something that comes with RP. While Arkaydos may push people a little further than others, I think any character with unique qualities does this. I enjoy figuring out how Sifar reacts to the more unusual characters and creatures that inhabit this world we create. Certainly, she doesn't like them all as she has an inherent distrust of anything magical which may lead to me avoiding RP with some folks. However, I have other characters who would embrace it.

It's hard to explain why it makes me unhappy, but...

If, say, my character(s) were to find out the truth about this character, because of its extremity, it would -require- them to react. Hearing that someone is a blood elf paladin is not going to make anyone bat an eyelash. But a zombie tauren controlled by a near-powerless dragon whelpling? My character(s) would have to be incredulous/disbelieving, frightened/wary... or take it completely in stride/not react, thereby saying something extreme about my character as well.

To me, it's just irksome that a character could be just given something capable of eliciting such a canned reaction; that my character would have to be surprised (or prove very strange). (edit in: It almost takes something away from me.) My character would have to treat him differently from every other character out there because he's so different. Really, I don't want to put that kind of strain on my RP, and that's why I said RPing with him would be difficult.

And if my character(s) never found out the truth? Then, to me, he may as well not have such a complicated backstory.

But to end with a disclaimer before someone starts objecting, I don't have any problem with anyone else not having a problem. If you're having fun, that brings a smile to my face. But this is how I feel and that's why I'd rather not RP with a concept that's a little out there.

Broxigan

11-07-2008, 10:49 AM

It's hard to explain why it makes me unhappy, but...

If, say, my character(s) were to find out the truth about this character, because of its extremity, it would -require- them to react. Hearing that someone is a blood elf paladin is not going to make anyone bat an eyelash. But a zombie tauren controlled by a near-powerless dragon whelpling? My character(s) would have to be incredulous/disbelieving, frightened/wary... or take it completely in stride/not react, thereby saying something extreme about my character as well.

To me, it's just irksome that a character could be just given something capable of eliciting such a canned reaction; that my character would have to be surprised (or prove very strange). My character would have to treat him differently from every other character out there because he's so different. Really, I don't want to put that kind of strain on my RP, and that's why I said RPing with him would be difficult.

And if my character(s) never found out the truth? Then, to me, he may as well not have such a complicated backstory.

But to end with a disclaimer before someone starts objecting, I don't have any problem with anyone else not having a problem. If you're having fun, that brings a smile to my face. But this is how I feel and that's why I'd rather not RP with a concept that's a little out there.

...So everyone should be plain and boring? Seems kind of lame to me.

If you find out something about someone IRL, aren't you also forced to react? What if you knew someone for a while then found out years down the road they were in jail for murdering someone? Would it not also solicit a reaction?

Backstories are there to back up something IF it ever comes up. Hell, All my characters have drawn out back stories. Do I go around flaunting them? Nah. Does something come up once in a while during RP that I pull from the backstory? Sure. Just like if someone asked me about when I was younger.

It just seems confusing is all Xara. I may be reading into it wrong, but it just seems like you want everyone to NOT be plain old vanilla.

Cabriel

11-07-2008, 10:54 AM

This is an awesome characterization, and I wish I would have thought of it first.

In short: it's stupid to let others play the game for you.

Agnarr

11-07-2008, 10:58 AM

Please, for the love of god, say it exactly like you think. I wont care, and I'll be thankful for the honesty since I want a character that would be accepted by even more elitist RPers.
Time someone takes the other side, then. ;)
When you where creating your character, one of the options wasn't "Dragon Whelpling".
Just like if you were going to play an AD&D campaign and you were like "hey, I'm going to create a demigod that lives on the plane of chaos but got in trouble there and was banished to Faerun in the form of a deer, but I can cast spells and mind control people and it'll be awesome!" and the dungeon master replies, "no".
World of Warcraft has a very strict dungeon master, who's also an absentee landlord.

And you know, people go out and kill emerald whelplings for money and pets and flame sacs. What will yours drop when I kill it?

Broxigan

11-07-2008, 11:04 AM

And you know, people go out and kill emerald whelplings for money and pets and flame sacs. What will yours drop when I kill it?

You go around killing people's non-combat pets?

Xaraphyne

11-07-2008, 11:04 AM

...So everyone should be plain and boring? Seems kind of lame to me.

If you find out something about someone IRL, aren't you also forced to react? What if you knew someone for a while then found out years down the road they were in jail for murdering someone? Would it not also solicit a reaction?

Backstories are there to back up something IF it ever comes up. Hell, All my characters have drawn out back stories. Do I go around flaunting them? Nah. Does something come up once in a while during RP that I pull from the backstory? Sure. Just like if someone asked me about when I was younger.

It just seems confusing is all Xara. I may be reading into it wrong, but it just seems like you want everyone to NOT be plain old vanilla.

Response in short: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule

Effectively, there's no need to take this to the opposite extreme to try and devalue my point of view. Obviously the joy in roleplaying is creating a unique character both during conceptualization and through development over time. I should hope that that's not a position I'd have to state for it to be assumed I hold. And if you feel "the line" is further down than I do, that's fine. But please don't say I'm trying to promote that everyone should be "plain and boring".

Cabriel

11-07-2008, 11:04 AM

And you know, people go out and kill emerald whelplings for money and pets and flame sacs. What will yours drop when I kill it?

And there are hundreds of thousands of other Forsaken who are identical in appearance to your Forsaken. The same way that Cabriel constantly runs into other Blood Elves who share his skin tone, hair color, and facial features. This argument, for me, doesn't hold water.

Agnarr

11-07-2008, 11:05 AM

You go around killing people's non-combat pets?

You know those green whelps in the Swamp of Sorrows? They drop candy.

Amoola

11-07-2008, 11:10 AM

Ark if you go and ret con your character to something cookie cutter I will find a way to get Swift to help me track you down and I will challenge you to roshambo. Only I will get the first kick! :P

I remember when this first came up in the SMU forums. Some of the coolest characters have long drawn out/complicated/detailed back stories. Some of the coolest characters are completely unique or off the wall.

There is no way that you should try to make everyone around you happy if you are happy with what you came up with. It was an awesome idea when you first started building it, keep with it.

To be honest I have done some retconning with Amoola. I did like my original story idea but I also wanted something other then what lots of other people were doing. There are folks who take a cookie cutter concept and can make it awesome. Then there are folks who want every thing to work with in a set series of limits. What works for one isn't going to work for all.

And a bit of advice...... Listen to Brox. ;)

Broxigan

11-07-2008, 11:11 AM

Response in short: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule

Effectively, there's no need to take this to the opposite extreme to try and devalue my point of view. Obviously the joy in roleplaying is creating a unique character both during conceptualization and through development over time. I should hope that that's not a position I'd have to state for it to be assumed I hold. And if you feel "the line" is further down than I do, that's fine. But please don't say I'm trying to promote that everyone should be "plain and boring".

I'm not trying to promote that; as I said, it is just the way I read it. All I was doing was trying to view it from an angle and bring up what I see. Everyone can and will read what is written differently.

Xaraphyne

11-07-2008, 11:11 AM

On second thought, this is the one I was looking for: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html Yay for having taken rhetoric five years ago!

I'm not trying to promote that; as I said, it is just the way I read it. All I was doing was trying to view it from an angle and bring up what I see. Everyone can and will read what is written differently.

All right, I regret saying you were "promoting" it, you weren't necessarily trying to start a bandwagon or anything like that. That was me being defensive. But I do wish you hadn't inflated my argument like you did even if it's how you saw it or how someone else might see it.

Broxigan

11-07-2008, 11:16 AM

All right, I regret saying you were "promoting" it, you weren't necessarily trying to start a bandwagon or anything like that. That was me being defensive. But I do wish you hadn't inflated my argument like you did even if it's how you saw it or how someone else might see it.

Oh, I know. I understand and I may have come across a bit rough/harsh about it and it may be a discussion for a different thread on different grounds. I will admit, I am bad about trying to look at something from other's POV. I just was trying to offer something out of it for discussion. I STILL LURVE YOU XARA

Xaraphyne

11-07-2008, 11:19 AM

Hah! If you want to start a discussion, l2rhetoric! XD

Raziel

11-07-2008, 11:21 AM

You know those green whelps in the Swamp of Sorrows? They drop candy.

Elite Somnus used to kick my ass when I was lvl 40 because I never saw him coming.

You bet your ass I enjoyed ripping his spine out with my bare hands getting my Onyxia Key.

Considering this line of thought, does this mean your character will never enter the Shrine of Hakkar, never fight Eranikus, never get Onyxia Keyed, or anything else that allows us to fight and destroy the Green Dragonflight?

Because Flights don't fight their own, y'know? Other than Eranikus and the 4 Emerald Dream Raid bosses, they're not corrupted or anything. The Flight in Atal'Hakkar are trying to protect the world from the release of the Soulflayer. Running that dungeon is a bad thing storywise.

Sifar

11-07-2008, 11:26 AM

/facepalm - I probably should have cut the "Xara" from the quote in the first place.

I very much understand where folks are coming from. When I first started Sifar, she was unique because she was so incredibly normal as far as people could see. Now, if anyone knew some of her secrets, she'd be shunned by many. Thus, they are secrets. Flip side, when Sifar meets anyone flagrantly outside the norm, as she defines it, she has a canned initial reaction. What comes next is up to the RP.

Xaraphyne

11-07-2008, 11:35 AM

/facepalm - I probably should have cut the "Xara" from the quote in the first place.

Sorry if I caused you any stress. You clarifying how your position was different from mine just inspired me to do some more clarifying of my own is all.

The_Golden_Wolf

11-07-2008, 01:01 PM

I might as well reply since I have one of those super-unique characters. Though, in defense I created it out of complete ignorance of lore. Now that I know my lore, what do I do? I have tweeked a few things, so it makes more sense but still... wow.

I would say since you already have the charcter leave it, just make sure you don't sidestep lore too much in the process. I would assume you know a great deal about the dragonflights? Someone said something about wanting to be a dragon, the idea has never personally appealed to me. And Raz had a really good point about the temple Hakkar and killing other dragons. Very good point. These are things I have to consider with my own character, the more complex and strange the more strain on consistency you have.

Perhaps you could also make it difficult for anyone to find out? That is what I've done. Pretty much only a couple people know Carmen's backstory and they had to earn that. Also what about strength? I think someone mentioned being special without earning it. Well what if your character is special but has no power? I purposely made Carmen suck, like at allot of things. Is Ark extremely powerful? That would be my only objection, in all honesty I care much much more about QUALITY of RP and consistency than I do about the nuances of someones character. But, I am far from leetist, I'm still new to this game.

I also sympathize with Xara's sentiment, even though I'm not personally bothered by it. Sometimes you just don't want to have your character react in such an extreme way, or be faced with something that would cause them mental distress. I live in that distress with one of my characters and yah, it is draining after a time. So perhaps like I said above it could be ultra ultra secret? And the only way to find out would be if someone really put forth the effort to find out?

All things considered it is a very unique idea, not so cliche after you learn more about it. Though again I've never understood the fascination with dragons, to each his own.

Taknar

11-07-2008, 01:02 PM

For anyone who doesn't know, which is most people, my character is a Dragon. But I don't say he shapeshifted into a Tauren. I've stated Arkaydos is a small green dragon runt, and I have a emerald whelpling pet follow my character around.

I say that he controls a mindless Tauren to disguise himself, since as a Whelp he would naturally come under attack by poachers and such frequently, and did. Before you ask, there ARE specific reasons why he chose a Tauren, why he chose the Horde, and why he can't choose again (He did it once and the book he used for it was burned afterwards).

He is both runted in size (to that of a whelpling) and power (to that of a normal humanoid).

Okay, here are the issues I see:

1) Controlling any sentient creature is a huge no no in the morality department. Yes, even if the creature is mindless for some known reason. Most characters finding this out would want to stop you for your crime. Which leads to..

[e] Forgot to mention that it's totally fine to RP a morally bankrupt dragon, so long as you are actually playing a morally bankrupt dragon.

2) I can't stop you for your crime. My character would beat to hell and back any evil character. I do for the Alliance, and my loyalty to the Horde stops me from doing it to groups like the Grim or Infection. But you're a dragon playing puppet with a cowman. I have no grudge or issue with killing you, yet I'm not allowed. Either you have to come up with some unbelievable reason why you can't be harmed or we have a logical disconnect here.

3) If you have the power of a humanoid (because you are runted), then you shouldn't be able to control someone for longer than about a minute anyways. The are Priest spell mechanics in the game which dictate these rules for Mind Control in Azeroth. To do so longer you have to be more powerful than a PC, and no one should be forced to accept that you are more powerful than them based on RP alone.

These are large glaring reasons that I must not only not RP with you, but deny your characters existance as a whole. It's creative, sure. It just doesn't work. Too many liberties are taken. RP liberties are fine when you are playing by yourself, or stick to a small group of people. Each additional person you interact with though is a greater strain on your backstory.

I'd also recommend avoiding blaming "RP elitism" for people's concerns against you. I've just listed three reasons that have nothing to do with social grouping at all. RP elitism is a problem on this server, but it's mostly a skill of writing or popularity issue. I don't feel your backstory falls into either category.

Soa

11-07-2008, 01:42 PM

As for Arkaydos, if you had concerns on what I thought/said about your character upon meeting him and Demitri, speaking Draconic and what not. My issue was more concerned with the fact that had my character cleaved your zombie druid, nothing would fully happen, since he's already dead. But let's say this cleave was to decapitate, would that have any effect on your character? Being that no one can exactly challenge the whelping to a duel or attack it, nothing bad can happen to your character. If someone were to capture the whelping, how will the RP turn out?

Anti-dragonese? Maybe. I've ran into people who are part of the Bronze Flight, white flight? I never heard of them but someone wanted to create that, blackflight (yet again not related to the brood of Deathwing somehow), aspect of Alexstrazsa as a life-bearer, blue flight (disciple of Azuregos) and now half black, half red and half elven person. With no back story at all and the way each of our characters presented one another, your character in my eyes was seen as just another person who wants to be a dragon.

It's creative that he's a zombie tauren, (who should be quite putrid then, yes?) controlled by another being, but a dragon whelping? I don't know, just any associations with dragons urk me, but that's me. Don't change your toon because of my opinion, but yes, I am anti-dragon related people.

As for my character and her purple eyes and different teeth structure when influenced under extreme emotions? Her history isn't made yet, but I try to keep as close to Lore-liable as possible but still bending the rules a bit, much like what you're doing which is good. I will admit a zombie druid being mind-controlled is more unique than a lot of these half demon, Nathrezim, half night elf?, or half dragon people out there. If someone is going to go to one of those extremes, they should do a lot of research in lore to ensure it's not something ridiculous, otherwise Lore nerds (and I'm not the best at the Lore but I read it when I can) like me will be skeptical of your character upon first impressions.

/end wall of text... part 2...

Leoren

11-07-2008, 02:24 PM

Forgive me if someone's already covered this, I was too lazy to read through the majority of the replies.

I think it's an interesting enough idea. I think the main issue people may have with any who take liberties with the lore is whether its sole purpose is to enable an advantage for the character in question. The advantage could be anything from saying, "lol but my guy shoots lazor beams and can't be hurt by fire" to "I'm a noble high lord, SO FEAR AND RESPECT ME PEASANT" in any given RP situation. One could almost read into it as a subtle form of god modding.

In your particular case, I think it's alot better that your 'twist' is that your character's being manipulated by a little whelp as opposed to being Alexstraza's long lost heir to the family business. I think provided you temper your particular plot with some humility to balance out the 'lol epic dragon!' factor, you should by and large find greater acceptance from the majority of the community. For example, if your whelp was just that, an inexperienced whelp, who doesn't harbour the knowledge and secrets of the aeons as its predecessors might. If your RP suddenly asserts that Arkaydos 'knows all' and is inherenty all powerful just by virtue of being a dragonkin? Then you might meet some far harsher reviews.

Naheal

11-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Alright, I'll tackle this since I had one of those "odd" backgrounds.

Okay, here are the issues I see:

1) Controlling any sentient creature is a huge no no in the morality department. Yes, even if the creature is mindless for some known reason. Most characters finding this out would want to stop you for your crime. Which leads to..

[e] Forgot to mention that it's totally fine to RP a morally bankrupt dragon, so long as you are actually playing a morally bankrupt dragon.

Yes and no. If the body is literally a shell, the being itself has completely run out of "steam" and is forever trapped in the Nightmare, there's nothing that I would see as wrong with that. Another explaination could be that he's the "keeper" of the tauren's body, and got a little curious about the world around him. That's not a morally bankrupt reason. At all.

Given my character's background, he may have a problem or two with it, though.

2) I can't stop you for your crime. My character would beat to hell and back any evil character. I do for the Alliance, and my loyalty to the Horde stops me from doing it to groups like the Grim or Infection. But you're a dragon playing puppet with a cowman. I have no grudge or issue with killing you, yet I'm not allowed. Either you have to come up with some unbelievable reason why you can't be harmed or we have a logical disconnect here.

I'll pull the Horde card on this one. He's a dragon, yes. He's controlling a humanoid, yes. There's literally nothing saying that he doesn't work for the Horde.

And, if you were going to go along those lines, Naheal should be KoS to Silvermoon as well as the Scryers for being a traitor to his race.

3) If you have the power of a humanoid (because you are runted), then you shouldn't be able to control someone for longer than about a minute anyways. The are Priest spell mechanics in the game which dictate these rules for Mind Control in Azeroth. To do so longer you have to be more powerful than a PC, and no one should be forced to accept that you are more powerful than them based on RP alone.

Now, hold on. He didn't say he had the power of a humanoid. He said that much of his power was dwarfed. What's to say that his area of expertise is mind control? And, even then, what's to say that it would be an extremely difficult feat for him to maintain control? One thing to remember is that, with the Mind Control spell, you have a second mind trying to fight back against you to force you out. This second force simply isn't there for the Tauren, as the "mind" is lost in the Nightmare.

These are large glaring reasons that I must not only not RP with you, but deny your characters existance as a whole. It's creative, sure. It just doesn't work. Too many liberties are taken. RP liberties are fine when you are playing by yourself, or stick to a small group of people. Each additional person you interact with though is a greater strain on your backstory.

How do you figure? My character started out as a warlock who would regularly lose his mind and body to his demons! Hell, there's a scene in the Eclipse plotline where he, quite literally, rips a person apart and scatters his pieces all over the place! Interacting with other people doesn't put strain on your backstory. It develops it.

Ansha

11-07-2008, 02:37 PM

Not to stop the "omg you should do what you feel like" train, but I regard attempting to play a character so far out of the realm of what the game mechanics itself allow as little short of god-modding. I wouldn't give you a hard time about it ooc, but I wouldn't play along ic, and my character(s) would think you were crazy.

Did I mention I loathe free-form RP?

Edit: I should note that I in no way think that you need my approval to roleplay whatever you wish, but since you asked general opinions on the issue of your character's "uniqueness," this is mine.

Anorah

11-07-2008, 03:01 PM

Here's my two cents

I think the idea is creative, cute, and probably well executed (assumption as I've never seen it in game). I also think a retcon may be in order. Here's why, a character should not need something special to make them special. That's a brief summary, but it's a philosophy I stick to when creating an character I plan on roleplaying with. Please note that I'm not saying your idea is bad, or that no one should ever have a unique quirk or attribute, I am not saying that at all. I am however saying.. look at why you're creating that unique quirk or attribute. It can be gimmicky and hindering to in depth RP interactions both solo, and with other players. If it's something 'cool' that you just wanted your character to have, or something you use as an 'icebreaker', it's probably a bad idea (I'm not saying you're doing this. Just offering an opinion).

Things that are out of the norm, are out of the norm for a reason. It's difficult to mix in believable, consequence driven RP with some of the more outlandish things because of the effects they have on the environment around them and the fact that other people who roleplay will have to react to them. Again let me stress that I am not saying everyone should create a 'vanilla' or plain mundane template. But oftentimes starting with a more mundane template can allow for some more complex and elaborate quirks or attributes to develop through gameplay. Personally, some of the most interesting people I've interacted with have had very normal characters/backstory. This is because they spend their playtime creating an interesting story around their character through both storytelling and interactions, rather than creating their character around an interesting story.

A character is who they are, as defined by, their interactions. Not where they come from. At least that's how mine are. Everyone has their own way of RPing and while some would view me as an elitist.. I don't usually frown upon different approaches, just lack of consequences. In the end, you should have a purpose for your character (I feel at least), a goal, a risk of disaster, and a conflict. Those are what matter to me in a character. So long as it's well played, not a gimmick, and recognizing of consequences in a believable fashion, I won't look down on it. Just be careful you don't fall into the trap of being solely defined by one quirk, and if you are, I'd recommend getting out of it.

Just my two cents, I want to add that you have the freedom to RP however you like. Just because some people may not agree with it does not give them the right to look down upon you.

Edit: Also, bear in mind I'm a big advocate of RPing within the mechanics the game gives to you. To me it enhances RP and makes it more enjoyable than twisting lore. Again, that's me, probably not for everyone. Nor am I saying this in a negative manner.

Irontoe

11-07-2008, 03:07 PM

Not to stop the "omg you should do what you feel like" train, but I regard attempting to play a character so far out of the realm of what the game mechanics itself allow as little short of god-modding. I wouldn't give you a hard time about it ooc, but I wouldn't play along ic, and my character(s) would think you were crazy.

This.

I'm a big advocate of RPing within the mechanics the game gives to you. To me it enhances RP and makes it more enjoyable than twisting lore.

And this. I have nothing to add, but feedback that agrees verbatim with other feedback is still feedback, eh?

Xaraphyne

11-07-2008, 03:12 PM

I think Anorah put very well some of my feelings on making characters special and why I don't personally like some ideas.

Taknar

11-07-2008, 03:19 PM

Yes and no. If the body is literally a shell, the being itself has completely run out of "steam" and is forever trapped in the Nightmare, there's nothing that I would see as wrong with that. Another explaination could be that he's the "keeper" of the tauren's body, and got a little curious about the world around him. That's not a morally bankrupt reason. At all.

I'll concede that if he states it as such. It wasn't in the OP though, and Tauren don't just start life mindless.

I'll pull the Horde card on this one. He's a dragon, yes. He's controlling a humanoid, yes. There's literally nothing saying that he doesn't work for the Horde.

And, if you were going to go along those lines, Naheal should be KoS to Silvermoon as well as the Scryers for being a traitor to his race.

A lone dragon whelpling joining the Horde is pretty far fetched, in and of itself. The Horde doesn't accept people "just cause", they have to prove themselves (generally in groups of a people; see WotLK Taunka). More story being written is never a bad thing but the OP needs to present such a backstory before he can be judged on it. He hasn't.

Now, hold on. He didn't say he had the power of a humanoid.

Yes he did. In the first post. "His size is dwarfed (to whelpling size) and his power is dwarfed as well (to that of a normal humanoid)". I'm paraphrasing but only because I can't remember the exact line and don't have the time at work to look it up. Reference the quote in my earlier post.

He said that much of his power was dwarfed. What's to say that his area of expertise is mind control? And, even then, what's to say that it would be an extremely difficult feat for him to maintain control? One thing to remember is that, with the Mind Control spell, you have a second mind trying to fight back against you to force you out. This second force simply isn't there for the Tauren, as the "mind" is lost in the Nightmare.

There is nothing stopping him from saying his expertise is MC and that it isn't difficult for him to maintain control. All he has to do is prove it, and he can't. Not in game terms. Not to a priest, whose whole schtick is the mind. Not if he is saying that his power is relative to that of a normal humanoid. I have no problem with mind control, but you have to be careful about how you use it in RP to not cause a conflict with the game mechanics.

[qoute]How do you figure? My character started out as a warlock who would regularly lose his mind and body to his demons! Hell, there's a scene in the Eclipse plotline where he, quite literally, rips a person apart and scatters his pieces all over the place! Interacting with other people doesn't put strain on your backstory. It develops it.[/quote]

My comment there was a specific one for Ark, not a general one. Of course interacting with people can strengthen a backstory. However, in order to start interacting with other people, you need to have them accept it. Each time you try to tell someone that you are a dragon in control of a mindless Tauren, you are testing or straining your backstory. And more often than not, people just aren't going to buy it.

To connect it to your example, it's far more likely that demon NPCs will attempt to subvert the mind of a warlock. It's happend so often in Lore (Ner'zhul and Medivh, just to name two) that people go "Oh okay. Cool." It's not a strain to believe it.

Now, RPing a Tauren who befriends a dragon whelpling (supportable cause you can have the pet obvoisly) and then gets into a traumatic experience where he starts to think that he is the dragon... that's original. So long as you haven't played FF 7, that is =D

Rand_Shea

11-07-2008, 03:36 PM

That actually sounds like an idea that would be fun for my hunter to poke at... As in seek out to catch the whelpling, just to say he did.

That time when you dressed up in the ogre costume and he tried to lure you back out was fun, though. I knew I had RP reason for always having a keg in my inventory other than just to get hammered.

Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 06:49 PM

Thanks a lot for the feedback guys, I didn't think I'd get this much of a response!

First off, I want to clear a few things I was a bit vague on, just because people seem to be debating it.

Arkaydos only recently began fighting for the Green Flight again, so after decades of being away from them, he lost a lot of his feeling for them as being his family. He lived with the Darkspear for a while, up until the events where the Horde saved them, and him indirectly. This, coupled with his inability to differentiate Dark Iron dwarves from Ironforge dwarves, leads to his preference of Horde over Alliance.

He was unofficially part of the Argent Dawn, and used a necromancy book he found after a raid on a necromancer camp to raise a fallen soldier, who happened to be Tauren. The Argent Dawn found out, and immediately cast him and his 'creation' out and burned the book. Ever since, he's tried to bring the Tauren back to life using druidic magic. Its been successful, but the Tauren never regained his mind, leaving him in a vegetative state.

Also, only people who "Magically sense my identity", or closer friends to Arkaydos, knew of his identity. To everyone else, he actively tried to keep it a secret.

As for harming my character in a duel, you can as much as you would anyone else. If you beat Arkaydos in a duel, you bested him just like anyone else you can beat in a duel. The one thing you CAN'T do, technically, is kill him. Which would be godmodding anyway, so I don't see the problem.

Oh, I'd also like to say that I don't even particularly like dragons. This idea just happened to spring on me one day back on my warlock, and my coolest pet back then was a crimson whelpling. The idea eventually came over to my druid.

This all being said, I am rapidly coming to a conclusion to take a fully middle ground on this. This wont include any retconning, it will be purely character development.

As I said before, the Tauren is in a vegetative state. I plan to figure out an event to restore his mind. This will create a dual character. The dragon runt will follow him, almost like a sidekick, and give him his druidic powers (Which, I think I need to emphasize, were never larger than normal character's), and make major decisions, while the Tauren himself will do the actual fighting, the talking, etc.

I made this thread mainly to see if there WOULD be opposition to my character, as I would hate to roleplay knowing someone out there would ignore my character.

So, would this new character idea work out more? Is it still a far-fetched idea? And, most importantly, would anyone shy away from RPing with this (It would still be kept a secret by Arkaydos, but I can't prevent people reading my bio and knowing it).

Taknar

11-07-2008, 07:09 PM

The dragon runt will follow him, almost like a sidekick, and give him his druidic powers (Which, I think I need to emphasize, were never larger than normal character's), and make major decisions, while the Tauren himself will do the actual fighting, the talking, etc.

Why this? Why is it a bad thing that your characters abilities didn't supercede those of regular druids? I could be reading too much into the statement, or reading it wrong, but being equal with other people power wise isn't a character flaw.

Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 07:44 PM

Why this? Why is it a bad thing that your characters abilities didn't supercede those of regular druids? I could be reading too much into the statement, or reading it wrong, but being equal with other people power wise isn't a character flaw.

Because first of all, I have never exceeded in dueling, so to be more powerful than a normal character, I would have to be able to beat most in a duel. By normal character, I mean another level 70. But of course, I said normal characters, not normal Druids. I of course would want to be a bit higher than average compared to most Moonglade druids, since 90% of characters claim a form of power to put them on that level anyway.

But thats just one point to my idea. If you didn't mention the rest, does that mean its alright?

Taknar

11-07-2008, 07:57 PM

Throw in a bit more about what led a member of the green dragonflight to want to raise a dead Tauren, as that's the part that is most glaring in my mind (at this point). It's the reds that are obsessed with life, and the green flight is obsessed with the natural order. Things die, and they are cool with that. Going backwards is not natural though, so the reason why your character would play necromancer is something that could use a lot of in depth exploring.

I only mentioned that one point because it was one thing that I've got a general pet peeve with. I RP my main priest as being as powerful as everyone else, but I suck at duels as well. In fact, in the thread that caused you to post this thread in the first place there were a lot of people mentioning about how they hate people who say their characters are more powerful than others without being able to back it up in duels. My question is still why do you feel your character must be more powerful than other player's characters? It's not a requirement of having a solidly laidout personality, or an enjoyable character. If you do need to feel more powerful with your character than other people feel with their characters in order to be interesting or unique or even fun at a basic level, then I don't know what to say to that.

Oh, and as always I'm but one man. My comments don't say yea or nay to your backstory. Only you do that.

Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 08:27 PM

Oh I definitely don't need to be more powerful than anyone else. In fact, I generally consider my character's offensive powers to be very, very modest (In comparison to other players, as I said). I usually try to fit him into a 'Comic Relief' role, so he actually intentionally underscores himself for the sake of humor. In 90% of roleplay I have done as Arkaydos, personal power is completely irrelevant.

And he lost contact with his flight for a century or two. Having been raised mostly out of the flight, he didn't have the mentality to tell him that raising a dead Tauren was wrong. After coming to terms with that, this is why he decided to try reviving it. He didn't want to give up his one means of passing as a humanoid. But after seeing the Argent Dawn's reaction to it, he didn't want to use a necromantic puppet, either.

I SHOULD also mention that part of his runted state includes the disability of several dragon-like powers, such as shapeshifting. It also took years of conditioning later on to uncover his natural ability to enter the Emerald Dream, the lack of this ability being the main reason he was so disconnected with his flight.

teutelquessir

11-07-2008, 09:36 PM

Korangar

11-07-2008, 09:45 PM

Korangar met Arkaydos at least 5-6 months back, when I found out that day he was the emerald whelping and not the Tauren, my mind reeled. I thought that was the most creative and least cliche way to roleplay a dragon. I was envious of the fact that someone had thought it up before I did. I had since forgotten all of those facts about Arkaydos until I saw this post today. I say keep him.

Unless of course you've explored the character all that you want to and would prefer to play something else. Sometimes I make an alt to explore a certain idea or roleplay, most times they don't last long, they're not deep enough. Its ok to let them go. Even the ones you've spent so much time on.

I didn't read all of the posts here so I'm not trying not to assume to much, it sounds like from the last post Arkaydos has abilities that aren't considered the norm too. *shrugs* So? Roleplay it well and its all good.

You can get away with anything if you roleplay it well enough.

~~~

After reading backwards a little bit I see some of this is redundant. Serves me for not putting in the full effort.

Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 10:20 PM

You've taken a lot (most?) of the fundamental game lore (not to mention game mechanics) then twisted, spindled and mangled it to obtain your extraordinary "character" with oh so many nifty neato special powers (necromancy, mind control) that no other character could possibly have all together and you're surprised that people have a negative reaction?

OOC I don't want to RP with this character. It's completely ridiculous and smacks of a tween desperately in need of attention and adult supervision.

IC if my characters ever meet Arkaydos their reactions remain to be seen.

Alright, try being a bit less rude next time, especially if you also want to make a crack about maturity. I don't know what kind of nerve I struck with you or how I struck it, but if you have a problem, be an adult and state it calmly.

He doesn't mind control, as there is no mind to control. I've said this a few times. He doesn't use necromancy, he used it once from a book, and never can again, which is what I stated.

But the extremely rude way you chose to say this states that your not trying to put up a reasonable argument. If you were, you might have spent another few seconds reading what I posted. And if you DID read through it all, which is highly unlikely, then there is a strong chance your posting with the pure intent of pissing me off.

I called for a discussion, if your not going to do more then glance over my first post, please don't post. And if your intentionally trying to piss people off... Dude, get the hell off of TNG.

teutelquessir

11-07-2008, 10:20 PM

You can get away with anything if you roleplay it well enough.

That's what some of us call Godmoding.

If I wanted FFRP which turns into a giant e-peen fest, I'd be in a chat room or trolling RP boards where everyone is really Sephiroth in disguise with Sessoumaru in tow and a half-vampire pirate ninja Jedi!

Personally, I prefer more realistic characters in keeping with the game lore which don't have any "unique" powers... uh... because someone just chucked the world into a blender and said screw it!

Kyrion

11-07-2008, 10:21 PM

That's what some of us call Godmoding.

If I wanted FFRP which turns into a giant e-peen fest, I'd be in a chat room or trolling RP boards where everyone is really Sephiroth in disguise with Sessoumaru in tow and a half-vampire pirate ninja Jedi!

Personally, I prefer more realistic characters in keeping with the game lore which don't have any "unique" powers... uh... because someone just chucked the world into a blender and said screw it!

Stop whining.

Nhal

11-07-2008, 10:27 PM

Um teut, let me just say one thing... You dont have to RP with him if you dont want to, but bashing someones character, when truthfully you dont know how he plays him, is just an ignorant and idiotic move on your part. You need to revamp the way you judge people and keep your thoughts to yourself, because I know Arkaydos and he does not at all godmod.

Honestly, I dont know how you can go and blindly start tongue lashing someone like that. That is so...I dont even know how to respond its just down right ignorant.

teutelquessir

11-07-2008, 10:32 PM

Ansha

11-07-2008, 10:36 PM

As one of the ones who 'said it nicer,' let me say that you =/= tact. There's a difference between being honest and being rude and offensive.

Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 10:37 PM

I'm entitled to my opinion as much as anyone here. If he didn't want critique, he shouldn't have asked for it. I'm not going to sugarcoat how I feel on this subject. Others have said it nicer, but it still amounts to the same thing.

Yes, I want critique. Please use arguments that are relevant. What do you think is wrong with the character, that is also true?

I'm asking for actual stuff, this would be like me randomly insulting your character for being "The adopted lovechild of Sargeras", when obviously he isn't... I hope.

In other words, you said my character was bad for reasons that I previously explained were not true. If you have nothing else to say, then I have to assume that you were mistaken and otherwise are perfectly fine with the concept.

swiftbleid

11-07-2008, 10:53 PM

I love RP servers, but sometimes I HATE RP'ers.
Seriously Ark, just role how you want to. As long as it's not ridiculous(and this is not), keep on going.
For those of you who say it's ridiculous, please refer to the guild on another RP server which actively role plays the World of Darkness campaign in a Wow universe.
Trolls? Orcs, Dwarves? Explain that crap?

Back on topic, Ark, I never saw any problem with your backstory. Please don't change it, and ignore those overly picky people who tell you otherwise.

Nhal

11-07-2008, 10:59 PM

Ok...ignorant guy there is a fine line between critique and down right rudeness.

And ark seriously your character is pretty much awesome, He works for all of us and if people don't like it let them go and roam around not RPing with someone as creative as Arkaydos. I have no problem as long as it is lore based, and people shouldn't either

teutelquessir

11-07-2008, 11:25 PM

Others have already given reasons for why the concept is not a good one for this type of gaming atmosphere. You've found reasons to attempt to refute pretty much every disagreement with your idea.

Yes, I have no tact at times but maybe a hammer to the head at this point will drive it home better than some gentle cajoling. I fully agree with several other posters here regarding some of the contradictions of this concept.

There is no "Dragon" as a character creation option. There's the most basic argument as previously stated. I checked just to be sure. Undead Tauren aren't even available! Oh, and if he was/is undead, and your whelpling isn't too powerful, why hasn't the Lich King taken control? But, that's a whole different can of worms...

Green dragons are rare creatures, not often seen on the physical plane. They are creatures of dream and make their home on the plane of the Emerald Dream. This plane is not just a place of dream crafting, but an immense verdant realm of unspoiled paradise. Other flights often call greens "brothers and sisters of Dream" in respect to the realm from which they hail. The dragon has translucent, jewel-like scales that shine with a faint green light. Its eyes are glowing orbs of green-gold light, with no pupils or irises. Its sinuous and shining form flies through the air as if swimming through water.

Green dragons have no enemies in the Emerald Dream, but they know that the world of Azeroth is not as lucky or as peaceful. They are capable of fighting, but choose not to if there is any option other than their own death. If conflict is unavoidable, they try to neutralize foes with their breath weapon and leave the area. Some consider green dragons to be pacifists or weaklings. Those who have roused a green to combat fast learn the error of this opinion. After all, dreams and nightmares are not so very different.

WoWWiki (http://www.wowwiki.com/Green_dragon)

Dragons of Azeroth reach their full growth before a mere hundred years have passed. They are very cunning and magical, using spells to complement their powerful physical capacity. Because each creature has an intimate connection with the world around it, the death of a dragon is never a simple thing; it is a metaphysical event, driven by the creature’s natural connection to the spirit of the world.

WoWWiki (http://www.wowwiki.com/Dragon)

The explanation that your character was "cut off" from his flight couldn't possibly be true (unless you come up with yet another explanation) because dragons are inherently connected to both the physical and spiritual worlds around them. Even if he WAS cut off, surely his brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, PARENTS, would have taken note of that suddenly missing link. Distraught dragons are not playful kittens!

Green whelps are precious to the green dragonflight, especially with the increasing danger of a mysterious, dark force that seems to have arisen in the Emerald Dream. Green whelps spent much of their time in the Emerald Dream in the past, but those children who have not yet experienced travel to the Dream have (fortunately) been kept from entering, and thus safe from contamination. Most green whelps in the world are found under the careful watch of an older dragon. The verdant hatchling is small, but nevertheless it exudes a spiritual aura, one that implies great wisdom even in such a young creature. Its wings look barely large enough to keep it aloft, yet it manages to be imposing in spite of its seeming frailty.

Green whelps usually retreat if engaged in combat. If doing so is impossible, they use their breath weapon or try to use magic to increase their chances of escaping.

WoWWiki (http://www.wowwiki.com/Green_whelp)

Again, a missing whelp would not be left missing for long. Dragons are sentient creatures, not big lizards that we lulz kill 4 phat lootz!!

The enchanted, ethereal green dragons live only to serve the forces of nature and uphold the balance between mortal creatures and the ever-evolving world.

WoWWiko (http://www.wowwiki.com/Green_dragonflight)

Raising and undead ANYTHING would be complete and total anathema to any sane Green dragon. They rarely interact with the physical world to begin with and when they do it is to ensure the natural order continues. Life and death are a cycle which Green dragons hold sacred. Now, some Green dragons have gone insane and they are hunted in one fashion or another in order to help them... usually by killing their physical body or metaphysical embodiment. Someone previously mentioned hunting and killing your character and it seems quite plausible to me that the sane members of the Green dragonflight would definitely want an insane, necromancy-using, undead-raising, vegetative-body-controlling member of their species put down like a rabid dog!

There are too many conflicts and convenient twists to established lore to make this a believable character to me. Having special powers outside the available skills attainable by any other character makes it further unpalatable. By your convoluted logic, your character can pretty much do anything regardless of game mechanics or the role play of others.

Godmoding (sometimes incorrectly spelled as "godmodding") is a term used in message board based role-playing games to describe two behaviours of players. The term comes from the "god mode" found in many video games, allowing a player to activate features such as invincibility, unlimited ammunition or lives, or similar power boosts. Godmoding is almost always frowned upon by other members of the game, because it is regarded as a form of cheating against the game's tacit rules.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godmoding)

Regardless of how you slice and dice it, you've essentially made a godmode role play character. You might not be actively dictating role play to others, but this concept is definitely an extreme deviation from World of Warcraft's "tacit rules."

Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 11:29 PM

Alright, I think I got the opinions I want out of the thread. Thanks for your opinions everyone, positive, neutral, or negative. I wasn't out for CRITIQUE, precisely, I was out to see how people would generally react to it, and I think I got that.

I will do a bit of retconning, but probably stay with the overall story, as the people in my small "clique" of RPers seem to like it. And in the end, they're the ones I really care about.

To everyone who was negative, thank you for showing me what will cause a bad reaction with my character. I'll work to change this and make it fit better, while still trying to not retcon my entire backstory.

To everyone who was neutral, thank you for stating both what you liked and disliked, it helps for the same reasons.

And thank you everyone who was positive, I'm glad to see the idea was accepted well by people who haven't RPed with me at least a little bit.

In closing, the final result of my character will be posted in the bios (Since I deleted the old thread). Think what you want on the idea, like or hate it, but PLEASE read the bio, his background, and personality before you judge if you will flat out ignore RPing with me or not. As people have said, its that stuff that makes the character fun to RP with. The general idea I had was made just because I thought it would be fun to RP as, I did not make it for any reason other than that, certainly not to somehow be different.

teutelquessir

11-07-2008, 11:41 PM

I'm glad you were brave enough to ask for opinions regarding this subject. Most people would blithely go on with playing their "unusual" character (... World of Darkness? O_o I'm so glad I'm not on that server) regardless of how people felt or how ridiculous the concept.

Personally, I don't like to read character biographies. For me, it takes away from the role play in the game. I look forward to meeting characters and getting to know them through role play interaction.

Arkaydos

11-07-2008, 11:44 PM

Okay, as a final response (since I got a final post)...

All very good points, teutel, thanks for toning down the rudeness. I'm going to retcon the character a bit, but as I said, the people I have RPed with find the character alright as far as RP goes. I'll have to take this with a bit of salt, knowing you've never RPed with my character before, therefore only know what he IS and not how he's carried out.

Thanks for you advice, I'm glad to see you use references, too. I'll value all of these arguments, except the last.

I would definitely not consider my character godmodding. Do I meta-RP? No. Do I auto-hit? No. Am I invincible? Of course not. In fact, I've said before Arkaydos has a modest amount of power.

I'm about ready to go on, but now that I take a step back and look at the thread, its turned a bit hostile. As I said before, I think I got the responses I needed from the thread. Thank you all, I've requested for this thread to be locked.

If your reading this after its locked, see my last post for closing statements.

Irontoe

11-08-2008, 01:17 AM

Arkaydos

11-08-2008, 01:49 AM

You're a bad person.

I'm... I'M TELLING! *Sobs*

Okhu

11-08-2008, 02:13 AM

You're a bad person.

The irony here is Irontoe said this.

Tylorvias

11-08-2008, 02:44 AM

Keep doing what you are doing, you are the most original character I've met. As for the recent anti-dragon sentiment we have discussed before and both seemed to encounter...some people just need to realize that interacting with a character and their personality makes up 90% of the role play, background is made to determine a characters personality and how they were shaped. The beautiful thing about RP is character development, things can change with time.

(There is no option to play as emerald whelping) I would try and remind people that there are no specific rules saying you can't. I honestly think if you took this to Blizzard most of the people who work there would love the idea, you found a great way to make a dragon character without breaking any rules. They may not have said you can do it, but when have they said you couldn't? Character selection may insinuate a lot but don't let it be the sole factor to consider, it has never been stated by anyone that it can't be done.

(What would happened if I killed your whelping and tried to loot it?) I imagine the same thing that would happened if you tried to kill a blood elf player and loot them, or a hunters pet. But notice you could simply go to Quel'Danis and kill and loot elves there all day: I think the point explains itself.

(Overpowered and godmodding?) Balderdash. Anyone who knows your character knows it isn't true, I probably beat you in about 60% of the duels we have. How do you defeat Arkaydos? Beat his mind slave and then he is powerless, unless he wants to reveal his own identity, which he doesn't.

(Green dragons don't do anything involved with necromancy.) This is a tad...for a lack of a better word ignorant. It's like saying all blood elves like thistle, or are scared of the scourge, all tauren worship nature and love it. Characters don't have to fall into the extreme end of the spectrum pre-determined. This simply gives us an overview the culture as a -whole- there can still be individuals who digress from the race. And lastly, the whelpling in distress would be found? He has stated several times that he is a runted drake. Drake.

Keep on keeping on, whatever you think up I'm sure will be great.