(( Nether Council? ))

[Fhenrir]

(( I've heard mention of this a few times, and I've got a question about it. What is it? From what I've gathered, it's some sort of organization amongst roleplayers, and that would certainly be something I'd like to look into. However, I can't seem to find any information about it.

Excuse my lack of knowledge on the realm as a whole, I'm still pretty new around here... *boggles*

P.S. Please note this is not in character in any way... Fhenrir probably couldn't care less. ))

[Soraxis]

((thats alright, we've been under the weather recently since I gave control over the council over to the population as a whole, after seeing our state of inactivity recently I took control again (as of 2 days ago) and am scheduling our next meeting on saturday now at 8:00PM server time and held in the ring of valor (arena in the valley of honor), anyone old and new to the council is welcome to join the meeting if you want :)

*edit* Theres going to be a more official post about this soon also

[Snowfeather]

((It will still 'not' work if Soraxis continues to debase everyone by calling them fools. That does not broker trust or camaraderie between different guilds. If he is going to be the leader, I suggest calming on the trash talk and show a little more moderate authority rather than complete superiority and megalomania.

I told Soraxis this IN CHARACTER last night when he approached Snowfeather and flat out told her to show up for her own good with a few 'fools' tossed in for good measure.. Yeah.. Snow said "kiss it" basically.

The Grim are coming. I know that for a fact. But if you don't show some respect, they will be gone as soon as the first degrading comment flies their way.

I wish you all the best of luck with this though. I hope the Council thrives and succeeds.))

[Brakogar]

That's the charm of Soraxis. I am sure that Snowfeather also has her ackward charms...

He calls me a fool but I dont take it seriously because I know and understand this Foresaken. He is rough and rude on the exterior but despite his insults he cares about the future of the entire Horde and is always ready to provide help to the individual.

If you can see behind Soraxis' insane persona you will soon see that he is not such a bad undead guy afterall.

I would not be surprised if Soraxis soon appears and denies the above completly with insults and the like, but he knows its true and those who propely know him also know its true.

[Danyxandra]

That's the charm of Soraxis. I am sure that Snowfeather also has her ackward charms...

He calls me a fool but I dont take it seriously because I know and understand this Foresaken. He is rough and rude on the exterior but despite his insults he cares about the future of the entire Horde and is always ready to provide help to the individual.

If you can see behind Soraxis' insane persona you will soon see that he is not such a bad undead guy afterall.

I would not be surprised if Soraxis soon appears and denies the above completly with insults and the like, but he knows its true and those who propely know him also know its true.

Perhaps others have enough lack of self-respect to accept rude behavior, but I, for one, do not. If I attend this meeting I will not sit listening to "leaders" who insult others. Period. Good leaders do not have to result to such.

*flips her golden tresses over her shoulder and saunders out*

[Brakogar]

Are you implying that I have no self respect?

Great here it starts all over again...

I know about Soraxis and I will discuss his "charms" privately with him but this high horse neo arrogant attitude that some Grims have been expressing of late have not exactly been A grade material either.

[Danyxandra]

((What me, the player is saying now is perhaps YOU can take his insults with a grain of salt, but just because you do, doesn't mean anyone else wants to or has to. Snowie has said she will not, nor will I.

What Danlily, the character had just said, is basically the same thing, but she's got an ego to protect just as much as Soraxis and has had to fight hard for that self-respect. She's not about to let anyone tear that self-respect down.

The only way we are all going to get along is if there is respect. No insults, no trash talk. Respect.))

[Brakogar]

Let me work on this and I will reach a solution. Things are hanging by a thread as they are, please no more arrogance from anyone.

I have always believed that True self respect comes from within and no outsider can ever tear it apart if its foundations are solid.

[Snowfeather]

((Good luck with that, Brokagar. I hope you succeed.

I am not arrogant in character. Hardly. My character will not be treated like some little kick around toy for an undead with a chip on his shoulder - especially someone she barely knows.

My advice to your council was a kindly word of warning. Don't disrespect us and we won't disrespect you. Brakogar, you have done everything to maintain respect for all parties - I see that. This is not a slight to you in character or out. It was a simple word of caution. Calling others derrogatory names you intend to work with is not a good way to broker trust or any kind of partnership.

If you and Soraxis don't understand that IC or OOC , then I guess I won't give my heartfelt advice and let Soraxis learn the hard way. Fool is a powerful word in character, especially when it is used repeatedly towards strangers or mere acquaintances. Nobody will want to dig deeper to find out why he thinks that way. Instead they will distance themselves from the person.))

[Brakogar]

Like I said I will discuss this with him in private, but I will not criticise him in his absence.

Also it is not MY council, we are aiming to make it OUR council ((meaning all the TN Horde RP community.))

OOC:

Soraxis shares all our views when it comes to ooc, but his IC persona is another story.

Also remember that we are not doing this for just us or you. We want to do this for everyone.

[Fhenrir]

(( I suppose my original goal here was to find out a little more about it, and hopefully through that learn a bit more about the RP community as a whole from it. I really have no idea what it is, I've just heard it mentioned a few times.

To clarify my real inquiry, I'd just like a bit more general info about it. What it is, what the reason for it is, things like that. Preferably both the OOC and IC reasons for such a council. It sounds like something that could help me get to know much of the RP community, so naturally it has perked my interest.

I appretiate the response so far! ))

(( EDIT: Actually, I think I know enough now, after looking around a little more carefully. I'll be there! ))

[Lupa]

Welcome all and Well Met...

Citadel has opened its iron gates and we bin decidin to bring our talents and strengths outa hidin. We bin trainin and preparin quietly for some big time now, makin new friends with otha guilds and gainin power in numbers.

We tink the time right to offa those services up for the greater cause of the Horde. The Nether Council sounds like a grand place for us to do so. We be bringin almost 200 soljaz to ya, dat is how strong we have become. As ambassador, I bin contactin several of you over the past few weeks an introducing ourselves and getting to know the inner workings of the Council. Meetins bein postponed, I will be attending dis here next meetin.

As fer hard words and such, it don't mean no nevermind to me. Bein a troll and all, I got thick skin, and Torg, our leader be a patient Orc. But, he be an orc still, and dat Blood Curse still be a workin at times..

Ifin I don't like what I be hearin, I just be sayin so. I be lookin afta my soljaz at all times.

If dere be any question for Citadel, I be da one ta ask, or Torg the Leader. Be meetin ya all soon.

[Brakogar]

Brakogar hears the Mail Peon depositing some mail in the Orgrimmar Mail box and heads towards it with outmost hurry.

The Peon had yet to finish depositing the newly arived letters in the box so Brakogar asked

"Peon, has any letters arived for the Nether Council?"

The tyred Peon saw the look of eagerness in Brakogar's face and replied

"Yeah sir, me brings some letters for the council"

The Peon reached into his pounch and handed some letters to Brakogar who inmediately begun to open them.

"Ah, thank the elements that there are still those who are willing to listen and unite. We shall all rebuild the council back to its former glory, possibly greater"

Brakogar thanked the Peon by giving him some silver coins and allowed him to finish his work. He then headed back to his chambers with renewed hope in his heart.

OOC:

Thanks to all that have shown interest in the rebuilding of the council, with your help we will surely make the RP in the realm enjoyable to all once again.

Here is the RP story and further OOC details of the council if you missed it earlier:

http://tn.yzeens.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=139

[Helio]

((It will still 'not' work if Soraxis continues to debase everyone by calling them fools. That does not broker trust or camaraderie between different guilds. If he is going to be the leader, I suggest calming on the trash talk and show a little more moderate authority rather than complete superiority and megalomania.

I told Soraxis this IN CHARACTER last night when he approached Snowfeather and flat out told her to show up for her own good with a few 'fools' tossed in for good measure.. Yeah.. Snow said "kiss it" basically.

The Grim are coming. I know that for a fact. But if you don't show some respect, they will be gone as soon as the first degrading comment flies their way.

I wish you all the best of luck with this though. I hope the Council thrives and succeeds.))

This is pure comedy.

The Grim proudly proclaims itself to be an evil guild...then when someone talks harshly to them, IC no less...the OOC whining begins. Maybe someone needs to start farming for a [Grim Tissue Box].

Hmm...I think what I just said was a flame. Sorry Mortica. I'll now go back to my regularly scheduled perusing of the Inferno.

[Danyxandra]

IC and OOC: Yes, we are a truely evil guild, and led by a truely evil Forsaken leader....who not once has ever called anyone a fool, who never, ever, belittles anyone or degrades them with trash talk. He is always respectable, and an inspiration to the rest of us who are murderously insane. I only call enemies fools, not those I would call allie. But enough of this, if you don't understand the concept then I can not teach it to you. You will act as you see fit and as will I.

*leaves for a good day of hunting*

[Snowfeather]

Next time, please try to understand the intent of the message.

This is an OOC thread with input in an OOC fashion. This has nothing to do with what the Grim is or is not. It is about trying to make a group of people work together to a common goal. Name calling accomplishes nothing and that is the intent.

But if you only want to look at it as whining, that's your choice. I honestly thought it would shed a little light onto why there are problems with the Council as it is. You don't want honest opinions and input - then I'll just shut my mouth and let things go as they have been.

*shrug*

Here's your axe back Helio. I don't have anything to 'grind' with you whatsoever.

[Fallacy]

Honestly, the only problem I've had with the Council is the lack of participation. That includes people within my guild, and every other single one involved (except for Mastiphaal and his one-man guild, and the Shadow Blade Clan). Since it's creation, it's only been a select few to have actually participated, and, without the larger guilds' support, I knew it wouldn't last long.

Besides that, I've had only positive experiences with the people that do participate. I've been able to do the later instances only because these guys were around, as Decimate doesn't have enough manpower or experience to support a group to go to those places.

However, that's not what Decimate expected of the Council. With those lackluster results, there was no reason to try to continue something that wasn't going to last without heavy reforms or, at least, some enthusiasm from the guilds that were supposedly part of it.

[Brakogar]

Snowfeather is right on this.

For the sake of our community please stop this childish behaviour dont blend the IC and OOC. Also do not make direct attacks on an entire guild based on someone's OOC comment or the RP expressions of one or two people. That is what brought us this entire problem to start with.

And Danilily, stop inflaming the situations by indirectly 'implying' things about other individuals while comparing others. That only sounds inmature and doesnt say much about who you are. We know who you targeted in your comment so please stop!

Sometimes I feel like it is a waste of time to I try to help someone or the community when it is them who destroy themselves.

[Brakogar]

Honestly, the only problem I've had with the Council is the lack of participation. That includes people within my guild, and every other single one involved (except for Mastiphaal and his one-man guild, and the Shadow Blade Clan). Since it's creation, it's only been a select few to have actually participated, and, without the larger guilds' support, I knew it wouldn't last long.

Besides that, I've had only positive experiences with the people that do participate. I've been able to do the later instances only because these guys were around, as Decimate doesn't have enough manpower or experience to support a group to go to those places.

However, that's not what Decimate expected of the Council. With those lackluster results, there was no reason to try to continue something that wasn't going to last without heavy reforms or, at least, some enthusiasm from the guilds that were supposedly part of it.

That is why the Open meeting is to be held on Saturday, so that we can iron out this problems and "reform" the Council into something more practical and with less bagage.

With the exception of some basic curtesy rules nothing has been written is stone. The meeting will serve for us to express our views reshape the council in order to make it a functional tool that we can all benefit from.

I understand that without the practical support of member guilds things will simply begin to run dry over time once again and the meeting wil attempt to address those problems. The council benefited my Guild and several other small guilds dramaticaly for events and things while providing much RP diversity to the larger guilds who wanted to try something outside their normal themes.

The feelings expressed in the RP thread that I wrote about the council are real. I will do my best to revive this as I believe that it is the best thing for not just us but the whole community.

[Soraxis]

OOC-Alright guys, I didnt know everyone honestly didn't like my rude comments to everyone...IC I know thats a fact, OOC I didn't know that...so I'll be toning it down as much as I can, even if I can't control myself (try making a dramatic change to your character after RPing the other way for months without slipping up) just yell at me. I don't understand why everyone can be ignoring the council and shunning the council without even talking to the root of the problem as to why...anyway, thats enough of this. If you want to talk I'm in game most of the time, just if you have a problem say so rather than keeping it in.

[Belblue]

I think people really need to work on learning it's just a game and we're all pretending to be different characters. Not everyone's gonna RP a personality that you might like, just like in the real world. And it's mostly done by the player's choice, it's what they want to RP as instead of being buddy huggybear with everyone else.

It's like going "The Grim, I do not like evil oriented players, please RP as a neutral oriented group because what your group doesn't go with what my personal ideals are."

Also, RP is just in character, and they have their own set of ideals, likes, and dislikes according to what you made them to be. Changing what your character thinks instead of the norm because you the player happens to be offended should not affect what the character in WoW would believe to what they have been created to go by. Mixing the both together can lead to mixed judgements and confusion of if the responce is truely IC or OoC.

My 2 cents.

[Danyxandra]

*facepalms and walks away*

[Malebrignon]

Wow! I hate giving out OOC information, but it kinda seems necessary.

So, here is a little OOC that I'll politely ask you not to metagame, though I'd imagine a few of ya have characters wiley enough to figure it out:

Malebrignon has been insulted/slighted by the Frostwolf on more than one occasion. He's not the type to demand apology or offer forgiveness.

Malebrignon wants to curry favor with The Grim however he can.

Decimate has been approached about possibly forming a different, more effective organization such as this where goals and leadership are determined from the start.

Those are the IC reasons. My own personal OOC reasons had to do with 90% of the Council's conversation taking place in the OOC channel and our guild rapidly increasing in size/requiring more of my time.




What would possibly be the point of starting a new mass alliance? What is wrong with simply reforming the one we have?!

[Brakogar]

ooc
Malebrignon, I am trying my best to remove politics from the wider community to make it enjoyable once again and your comments dont help.

When has the Brotherhood been offensive to you?

As far as I am aware we have always had friendly relations.

I find this offensive as just a day ago I spoke to you and afer we chatted about the current problems and how I am trying to repair relations with the grim and restore the nether council, you said to contact you when needed as you offered to help in "anyway possible".

Something that I hate is hypocricy, if you had issues with my Guild you should have said it to me then in private instead of trying to gain favour with the grim by going public against the brotherhood like this and right after pledging your help to us and my attempts to heal the community.

[Malebrignon]

OOC: Brak, I was completely uninformed when we spoke. You got a lot more of 'Brig's player and his overall friendly nature than any real 'Briggyness.

You insulted and slighted 'Brig at our council meeting in early December.

You cannot remove politics from this. Politics are part of role-playing. I hardly RP'd with 'Brig at all before this Council made him into a politician of sorts.

Other things I have to say to you need not be made public and will be sent privately.

[Brakogar]

OOC

We spoke only yesterday. Are you saying that my guild has only given you this trouble since between yesterday and today?

If you found me using the Peon alt in the meeting offensive, well I have already apologized about it in these forums and I remember you expressing your understanding for my reasons

Here it is to remind you:

http://tn.yzeens.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=99

When it comes to politics in the council I disagree with your view as that attitude harms the RP comunity as a whole (specialy the smaller guilds) who need numbers in order to sustain events and other game activities while at the same time give everyone a viriety of themed events. If you did not understand that earlier then you had missed the entire point of the council, the council is a tool, a communications channel to maintain the community together and provide RP diversity so when I "used" the council for our events then I was using it for what the council was intended for in the first place, to spread the word of it so that people who are interested can attend.

Honestly, I see your post here as a lame attempt at trying to suck up to the grim because you think that by going against us openly, you will gain favour with them.

So you know I have been working hard to restore peace to the Horde community once again and have been reaching out to the grim, healing our relations.

I will stop commenting about this since further conflict will not only hurt us but affect others as well. I have already expressed my views and feelings

I thought higher of you than this Malebrignon.

[Brakogar]

You are the focus of a lot of bad sentiments, I am just trying to maintain the peace.

I am sorry it was not my place to say that. You can post if you wish

[Necrosis]

((Let this all play out at the meeting. Don’t give out anymore information. Let’s RP it out. Please don’t bash my guild OOC (tissue box, etc…) I am tired of reading it. If you wish to bash/challenge/insult us please make it IC. However, be aware that we will react IC as well.

This is a game, let’s treat it as such and try to have some fun.))

Necrosis of The Grim

[Brakogar]

((Let this all play out at the meeting. Don’t give out anymore information. Let’s RP it out. Please don’t bash my guild OOC (tissue box, etc…) I am tired of reading it. If you wish to bash/challenge/insult us please make it IC. However, be aware that we will react IC as well.

This is a game, let’s treat it as such and try to have some fun.))

Necrosis of The Grim

I dont understand. No one is bashing the Grim. The above 3-4 posts are about Malebrignon the GM of Decimate and myself.

[Necrosis]

This is pure comedy.

The Grim proudly proclaims itself to be an evil guild...then when someone talks harshly to them, IC no less...the OOC whining begins. Maybe someone needs to start farming for a [Grim Tissue Box].

Hmm...I think what I just said was a flame. Sorry Mortica. I'll now go back to my regularly scheduled perusing of the Inferno.

((This is an example, it was posted yesterday. It's not a big deal, I just don't want to see anymore of it or anything like it. Everyone just needs to relax. It will all play out...))

[Malebrignon]

OOC

We spoke only yesterday. Are you saying that my guild has only given you this trouble since between yesterday and today?



I hope I clarified everything through my PMs with you, Brak, but I want to be very clear on this: I offered aid BEFORE I was supplied with any information. Had I known all the details, I would not have offered.

Many apologies for this misunderstanding.

[Brakogar]

I hope I clarified everything through my PMs with you, Brak, but I want to be very clear on this: I offered aid BEFORE I was supplied with any information. Had I known all the details, I would not have offered.

Many apologies for this misunderstanding.

Lets just leave it at that. You have your views, I have my views.