Race Ages?

[Syreena]

A while back, there was a post somewhere comparing the ages of the different races. For example, humans are considered adults at age X, and trolls are considered adults at age Y.

Can anyone repost or link that information? Thanks!

[EnheilRas]

Was taken from the Warraft RPG.

I do not have access to the book. Was one of the rare texts I never managed to obtain

[Maegannon]

I dunno about other races.. but I'm sure its safe to say that humans are of age between 12 and 15..


Comming of age is younger for females then males, seeing as women are usualy physicaly able to bear children around the age of 12.

This holds true for our own past history, so its the only constant for any "Not the present/not the future" setting.

I assume that Orcs are in the same -general- time frame.. yes?

[Niethan]

Originally posted by Shote, on the RP forum:



In my time on the forrums, I see alot of threads asking for relative life ages of races. Well the Warcraft Role Playing book has all your answeres. The following information is taken directly from pages 173 and 174 of World of Warcraft the Roleplaying game, published by White Wolf.

Ok, here are the tables. Keep in mind these numbers are aproximate, everyone has they're own internal clock.

Key:
Adulthood is physical (sexual) maturity.
Middle Age is self explanatory.
Old is elderly, presumably complete with beard, wrinkles and fading hair.
Venerable this means dying. At most you have a decade or two to live, likely much less.

Goblin
Adulthood: 20
Middle Age: 40
Old: 58
Venerable: 73

Gnome
Adulthood: 40
Middle Age: 100
Old: 150
Venerable: 200

High Elf
Adulthood: 60
Middle Age: 175
Old: 263
Venerable: 350

Human
Adulthood: 15
Middle Age: 35
Old: 53
Venerable: 70

Dwarf, Iron Forge
Adulthood: 40
Middle Age: 125
Old: 188
Venerable: 250

Troll, Darkspear (Jungle)
Adulthood: 17
Middle Age: 30
Old: 47
Venerable: 69

Night Elf*
Adulthood: 300
Middle Age: 500
Old: 650
Venerable: 700

Orc
Adulthood: 20
Middle Age: 40
Old: 65
Venerable: 80

Tauren
Adulthood: 50
Middle Age: 75
Old: 95
Venerable: 110

Undead, Forsaken**
Adulthood: ---
Middle Age: ---
Old: ---
Venerable: ---
'Til Death: ---

* All Night Elves older then 300 are still counted as being at Adulthood age. Thus, they still have 400 years to live.

**Undead do not age (and presumably will not die of "natural" causes) as they have already previously died and are now Undead.

[Mohan]

It's interesting that there are numbers like that for the Night Elves, considering they only recently became mortal with the destruction of Nordrassil. I wonder how they would classify Night Elves like Malfurion Stormrage, Tyrande Whisperwind, Fandral Staghelm, and Illidan (pre-demon transformation, obviously) who have been alive since before the Sundering?

[Maegannon]

I think the *'d point is, all night elves over the age of 300 years old, on the day after the distruction of the world tree.. are now of "Adult Age" and have only 400 years of life left ;p

[Vilmah]

The House of Kai**
Adulthood: 14-18 *
Middle Age: 90-190*
Old: 230-260*
Vulnerable: 300*


((Blegh... elf blood?? Eww. ))

[EnheilRas]

I pretty much disregard them as being what he says. Hell, My character came from another world. Perfect explaination why he's different than cast iron Orcs. Draenor was dimensionally unstable. It was easy for someone to just cross over.

I believe in genetics, my friend. You ever hear that Ratt song?

o/` dun da dun da
Pig and elephant DNA just don't splice! o/`

[Fhenrir]

I dislike the idea of having to live for 50 years before I'm an adult. I kinda play stupid on that little bit of info there.
But... I just told everyone I... DAMMIT!

*flees*

[EnheilRas]

Note that Cairne is 111.

[Aquizit]

Garbhan is like... 400..

The bugger just won't die.

I believe he said that when he's tired of playing, one day after a battle he'll just go. "Right, that's that then." and just keel over.

[EnheilRas]

400? I don't... think that's. possible...

not and still be walking.. He'd have hemophilia.. a papercut would cause him to crash and bleed out. His immunity system would be the equivalent of a redneck with a peashooter on a rocking chair trying to fight a barrage of tomahawk missles.

[Aquizit]

You try telling that to Garbhan. -chuckles-

He normally actually doesn't reveal his age, only that he should be dead already according to most.

[Syreena]

Thank you, Niethan! That's exactly what I was looking for! :D

[Cedes]

I dislike the idea of having to live for 50 years before I'm an adult. I kinda play stupid on that little bit of info there.
But... I just told everyone I... DAMMIT!

*flees*


well if you put it to a perspective of humans to dogs, or the other way around, Then its different and the same. The Duration to "age" for one race will be differnt for the next over a coarse or like 5 to 10yrs. One may change in physique as the other wont, until later time (years). Etc etc etc...


..and if you have read the bible. You will see in the old testament that Certain individuals ages were recorded to be past that of 500yrs, even 900yrs. Im wondering if in those ancent times, years were recorded differently or if their years were as long as ours (i believe the bibles timeline is based off Egypts calender, aka what we use now) what was their aging like. Did they grow into an old man like today by age 70 than walked and lived as an old grandpa for 600+ yrs? OR was it like what i just explained above in that their aging process was expanded in a 600yrs+ duration instead of todays at a 70yrs+???? O.o

*sighs* yet another question ill never know the answer too

[Mortica]

anyone have the lifespan for draenei?

From the model viewer it would appear that Velen is still kicking around, so that would lead me to believe they are immortal.

Any thoughts?

[Daedraug]

I doubt that's been formally released - most likely in the BC sourcebook for the rpg I would guess.

[EnheilRas]

anyone have the lifespan for draenei?

From the model viewer it would appear that Velen is still kicking around, so that would lead me to believe they are immortal.

Any thoughts?

Since they're all FUCKING DEMONS

I'd say yeah.

[Mortica]

Since they're all FUCKING DEMONS

I'd say yeah.

Uh..I don't think so..

from http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/draenei.html


Although the offer sounded very tempting, Velen had a vision of the future that filled him with sick dread. Sargeras had spoken the truth: the eredar who joined the Dark Titan would indeed gain enormous power and knowledge. However, the eredar would themselves be transformed into demons.

The draenei did not follow Sargeras, therefore they didn't turn into demons.

[EnheilRas]

Does it look like I care?

They're DEEEEMUUUUUUNZZZ

If y'all wanna call the Wii a Revolution..

A demon's a demon in my book!

[Tarlithion]

Freaky Transylvanian Goat People.

Sounds like Demons to me.

[Mortica]

Yeah, so to answer my own question: Velen is over 25,000 years old. However that is not a typical lifespan. Apparently the naaru are artificially extending his age to help lead his people. Or at least, that's what the chatter seems to think.

[EnheilRas]

take *that* Malfurion!

Pffftttttt!!!

[Orhek]

Hm... what about a nathrezim/human hybrid? That'd be my warlock on the Emerald Dream server >.>

[Kyo]

anyone have the lifespan for draenei?

From the model viewer it would appear that Velen is still kicking around, so that would lead me to believe they are immortal.

Any thoughts?

There is a reference from a draenei quest in game that leads me to believe that they are immortal.

A draenei talked about Argus, and how he has been away for so long that he forgot how long they have been running or something like that.

The Eredar became immortal from their demonic transformation, this we know. That leads me to believe that the Draenei weren't originally immortal, and possibly reached immortality (or a long range of life) from the gifts they recieve from the Naaru.

These are just my theories, though.

by the way, if they are not immortal, no I do not know the life span of draenei.

While I believe it is the same as the night elves or longer, many players still hold on to the fact that Night Elves are the oldest races of all others, with the longest time to live.



and to the little boy who say the draenei are demons: Read your Burning Crusade booklet, or view some information on the draenei race online.

[Icia]

Actually, from one of the quests, I think even the same one you are talking about, he mentions that they left Argus "10 lifespans ago" which would lead me to believe that the normal lifespan is around 1,000 years, since they have said that they left Argus 10,000 years ago.

Obviously Velen is still around, but it's been indicated that he's the oldest, and not exactly normal, as far as ages go.

It's possible that there are some others that have lived that long (The quote that comes to mind is "Few remember or even know about Argus anymore"), but immortal, I'm pretty sure they're not.

[Thaena]

Hm.. I think that I read somewhere that the Exodus from Argus occured 25,000 years ago. Because at 10,000 years ago the Burning Legion was already harassing the elves and blowing up the Well of Eternity.

I'll look around for confirmation.

[Icia]

I stand corrected.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/draenei.html does say 25,000 years.. So I guess that would change the number I suggested to be closer to 2,500 years..

[Fhenrir]

and to the little boy who say the draenei are demons: Read your Burning Crusade booklet, or view some information on the draenei race online.

As a note, you may want to check the time of posting before speaking in such a way in a sticky topic.

The post you're responding to is from a member that no longer regulars these boards due to RL, and was made well before much official knowledge was available to any of us. Particularly the Burning Crusade booklet, or much of the information on the draenei race online.

[Kyo]

As a note, you may want to check the time of posting before speaking in such a way in a sticky topic.

The post you're responding to is from a member that no longer regulars these boards due to RL, and was made well before much official knowledge was available to any of us. Particularly the Burning Crusade booklet, or much of the information on the draenei race online.

Ah yes, I see... I tend to forget the time span in posts... My appologies.

[Amaurn]

Yes i know this is an old thread but meh.
The dashes for UD are entertaining. Good for Amaurn though he was "Venerable" When he died so now he gets to stay on pause for the next 10,000 years. Unless he dies or wears out of course. But I subscribe to the idea that UD dont decay anymore. The magic keeps them at a constant. Unless the magic can run out though... Hrrrrm got myself thinking about a bunch of random topics now.

[Ignatia]

Gnome
Adulthood: 40
Middle Age: 100
Old: 150
Venerable: 200

Wow. I'm still a bebe then. O.o

[Islefr]

I was unaware that anyone knew how old gnomes were normally when they died. I thought they had a tendency to blow themselves up before that happened, and any that did would just be gnomes like "Crazy Ol' Willy."

[Lisbet]

BUMP for more information on how old Draenei are when they mature into adulthood, so I can make fun of myself!

[Brevus]

BUMP for more information on how old Draenei are when they mature into adulthood, so I can make fun of myself!

That is very open to interpretation. In Rise of the Horde, they (Orgrim and Durotan) make mention of seeing no children around the Draenei cities, yet one female that looked to be mature was (by comments of their guide) still a child, and immature to their standards (followed by her shying away and giggling).

Seeing as how many Draenei still remember Argus being destroyed, and their admission that they do not reproduce much, it would be a difficult time period to assess (the change from adolescence to maturity). Velen would be more than ancient (way over 25,000 years old, he was ancient at the time of Argus being destroyed). Others of the original crew still seem to be full of life in their commanding positions.

I'd suggest you just keep it vague. If anyone asks, just say recently. If they make a guess of 5 years, 10 years, 100 years, just laugh and act like they're being absurd (and possibly throw some immaturity in there for good measure :) ). Time to these sort of beings would likely mean little because of their crazy long lives. Their only focus is survival, learning and preservation.

[Lisbet]

That is very open to interpretation. In Rise of the Horde, they (Orgrim and Durotan) make mention of seeing no children around the Draenei cities, yet one female that looked to be mature was (by comments of their guide) still a child, and immature to their standards (followed by her shying away and giggling).

Seeing as how many Draenei still remember Argus being destroyed, and their admission that they do not reproduce much, it would be a difficult time period to assess (the change from adolescence to maturity). Velen would be more than ancient (way over 25,000 years old, he was ancient at the time of Argus being destroyed). Others of the original crew still seem to be full of life in their commanding positions.

I'd suggest you just keep it vague. If anyone asks, just say recently. If they make a guess of 5 years, 10 years, 100 years, just laugh and act like they're being absurd (and possibly throw some immaturity in there for good measure :) ). Time to these sort of beings would likely mean little because of their crazy long lives. Their only focus is survival, learning and preservation.



Thats just the thing, None of my Draenei have any kind of history (Alishondra knows that she's fairly young and raised through her "younger childhood years" by a Broken, but other then that? Nope) because of the turmoil the Draenei faced the last 30 years or so..

Lisbet litterly has no idea how old she is, only that she was forced to be an adult way sooner then she should have been. I put her as the human standard of late teens, early twenties, but if the race itself lives very long, would that be to young to be in an adult relationship, and if so, would Heidenreich be considered a pedo? ;p

[Brevus]

I put her as the human standard of late teens, early twenties, but if the race itself lives very long, would that be to young to be in an adult relationship, and if so, would Heidenreich be considered a pedo? ;p

Probably. :D

From what I gathered in reading, the Draenei had been on Draenor for 200 years, where little changed for them. There isn't much talk of how a Draenei would age, when they would mature, etc. I would think, though, that a being that could live for 25,000 years might physically mature quick, but by what standards? 20 years out of 25,000 is like being a newborn to a human. Perhaps Draenei reach their mature physique early but because of tradition do not learn all of their nuances at that stage and stay adolescent for a very long time? Do they need certain training / education? Who knows.

In my uneducated opinion, I would say 20 years would be far too young. At 20 years, your priest was just a few years old (at the most) at the first forming of the Horde and the eradication of the Draenei populace. Many children were left behind at Shattrath to try and appease the orc Horde into thinking they had killed everyone while a handful left with Velen into Zangarmarsh, and ultimately, the Exodar.

Maybe a hundred or two hundred years old would be OK and the 'teen' would begin their journey into adulthood. I'd still say keep it vague and Azeroth time means little to you at this point other than keeping track at the starting point that the Draenei first crashed, and just play on the naivity that such a mindset would have. Almost like a college chick, but smarter and with some more morals. ;)

[Rai]

Brevus, I really like your input so far on the draenei. Their world is so vague but at least your reasoning seems sound and based on good information. My own character's past is fairly unwritten atm (or more accurately in the process of many rewrites) but mostly resembles what Lisbet has said for her own, so I'm glad to read this convo so far as it seems to apply to me.

I'm really interested in death priests and the timeline of events involving the auchindoun right now, but not finding much on it either. The "know your lore (http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/04/24/know-your-lore-auchindoun/)" article on it was informative but still had nothing for how long ago these things happened. The draenei were only on Draenor for 200 years? Seems like so much happened for such a short period of time there, especially as far as civilization and construction is concerned.

[Raziel]

Draenor's year was shorter then Azeroth's year, by about 120 days actually..

Also I think I need to kill this Kyo fellow... Such an upstart.

[Ignas]

Draenor's year was shorter then Azeroth's year, by about 120 days actually..

Well, that just complicates things even more, huh? It's details like that which will throw a person like me out of whack. I absolutely have to have a timespan of some sort in order to figure out a character's history.

Additionally, I have heard multiple accounts of how long the Draenei stayed on Draenor. The numbers ranged from about 200 to 1200 years. I personally just put the arrival of the Draenei at about 1000 years and went from there with Ignas' back story. If a person asks, Ignas could not say exactly how old he is, but he could say that he is older than many mortals on Azeroth. But hey, I could be wrong. If I am, then I will make the appropriate changes.

[Brevus]

I don't know where the difference in Azeroth vs Draenor years come in (source? Don't recall reading that anywhere, unless it was in WC3 which I did not finish).

I do know that in Rise of the Horde, the Draenei state that they were there for 200 years at the time the orcs descended upon them. Seeing as how there has been, what, 15 years from orcs first invading Azeroth to actual WoW time, they'd have been there for ~215 years start to finish.

[Lisbet]

I thought it was 30 years from invasion: Azeroth to WoW?

Doesn't trollbane talk about getting stuck on Draenor 20 years ago?

[Brevus]

26 years, my bad.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/timeline.html

[Raziel]

I first noticed the discrepency when "The Dark Portal" expansion hit, and "The Aftermath of the Second War" as told by Ner'zhul was written. I know there'd been discrepencies before *e.g., Garona* but for the orcs to have been fighting the first and Second War for 20 years, and then to come back, where the Draenor orcs said they'd been gone for thirty, that was odd.

So I did the math, and the only plausible thing, barring PIME TARADOX, was that Draenor's orbital revolution was different than Azeroths, and seeing that these are two different plants in different star systems assumingly, it's not that hard of a thing to swallow.

[Rai]

Actually, from one of the quests, I think even the same one you are talking about, he mentions that they left Argus "10 lifespans ago" which would lead me to believe that the normal lifespan is around 1,000 years, since they have said that they left Argus 10,000 years ago.

Obviously Velen is still around, but it's been indicated that he's the oldest, and not exactly normal, as far as ages go.

It's possible that there are some others that have lived that long (The quote that comes to mind is "Few remember or even know about Argus anymore"), but immortal, I'm pretty sure they're not.

I was thinking a lot of this today. We have one draenei who hints at a 2500 year lifetime, but possibly many who have lived since the Argus escape (2 for sure in game).

Do we suppose that the naaru arbitrarily handed out immortality to a select few? Or perhaps they blessed the entire race to help their struggling numbers? I wouldn't consider the later hard to believe, especially since we know birth and death are so rare among them (when they are not outright killed).

I guess in my mind I don't really see a necessary contradiction between what you and Kyo referenced. Or maybe there is and I'm just trying to put them together.

[Ignas]

I found this information on Draenei (http://elvisdesign.net/knights/forum/viewtopic.php?p=75&sid=190f0ea549979660209c452a53aab07e) just floating around the interwebs. It seems reliable to me, but I will let others decide that since I am not a big lore buff. Also, I know it states far more than just the possible time line and ages of Draenei, but I think quite a bit of it is relevant to those that may not know enough about Draenei or may need some questions answered. I won't swear by it, but I think it helps those looking for that little piece of info that they just aren't sure about. :)

[Rai]

i like that page, even been using it as a quick reference. There are a few little things I see as being off, but ya, good find.

[Heidenreich]

Draenei, live by average 2500 years. A Draenei NPC states that they have been fleeing the Burning Legion for "ten lifetimes," so we know for sure that draenei lifespan is around that number since they have fled from Argus 25000 years ago. Most draenei, when asked how old they are, simply respond with "Very." Note: Prophet Velen is a special case - he is immortal.

[Bronan]

Ya draenei may live 2500 years...until the orcs get tricked into dominating them =)

[Takishi]

hehe taki is very very old then ^^ but he has a reason for being as old as he is but still able to be as active and healthy as he is XD

[Rai]

more confusion for draenei I thought I’d add to this thread:

for the DK quests, your draenei's quest text has him/her as being born on Argus over 25,000 years ago. We know of many other draenei who lived during the time of Argus so it isn’t a huge surprise to see yet again, but it is a hint that “you can do it too” when other in game quest text would have you believe a lifespan for draenei is about 2500 years.

also, Night of the Dragon hints that draenei age like humans do when Idiri notices a human officer who “despite his beard he was young for his rank, as young as possibly she.” Nobody seems to think Idiri is a child (as people often do when looking at the various types of, slower to age, elves) so according to this source it would seem they do age like humans (at least until human maturity that is). Of course this does conflict with the impressions you get out of Rise of the Horde where Durotan witnesses the death of a draenei child he swears to be the same one he saw in Telmor when he was a child himself, a draenei who should be a grown woman by then he figures. Durotan was known for his very good memory, but he could have been mistaken…

Still, the various book authors and even the guys who write quest text do not make it easy to know draenei biology.

[Solare]

I first noticed the discrepency when "The Dark Portal" expansion hit, and "The Aftermath of the Second War" as told by Ner'zhul was written. I know there'd been discrepencies before *e.g., Garona* but for the orcs to have been fighting the first and Second War for 20 years, and then to come back, where the Draenor orcs said they'd been gone for thirty, that was odd.

So I did the math, and the only plausible thing, barring PIME TARADOX, was that Draenor's orbital revolution was different than Azeroths, and seeing that these are two different plants in different star systems assumingly, it's not that hard of a thing to swallow.
I think the most reasonable thing to assume is that when it comes to matters of time, the Blizz quest and lore writers, independent novelists, are really out of tune. At best, they may try and come back to 'fix' mistakes that they have made in the time-line, but I think for the most part, it's just off. So, like the draenei who seem timeless, we too, should probably just not pay too much attention to it. The loose ends that make up Azeroth's history are fragile enough without people pulling on them. xD

I think Brevus has the best idea: just keep it vague, or feign ignorance. Because it seems that's pretty close to the truth.

"How old am I? I really couldn't say. Saying would be knowing, and since I do not know, I cannot say."

[Philaris]

So, I just found this, and since no one has posted it on here yet I figured it would be a nice contribution to what we already have

http://www.wowwiki.com/Life_spans

Also according to this page Draenei are immortal, and that Worgen have the same life spans as Humans.

[Ignas]

Also according to this page Draenei are immortal

It says that a citation is needed for that, so it's not 100% confirmed based on that page.